I was looking through the forum and found the top20. And I read a responce from the lovely Cameron Knight. That is not fair. Why should some model's get paid more then other model's. They are all the same. They to what ever the member's want. And those poor model's in semi room's get less. I became a grey recently to see what the grey's get. Trying to get into Premiere room, I didn't believe what it said.

yOU CAN'T GO INTO THESE ROOM'S THESE MODEL'S ARE THE BEST. Or something like that.

What the fuck. No model is the best, They are all the same. Bang out of order. Thankyou Quote

Awwww Mark.. thank you for such sweet words

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Loona thanx for your reply. Flirt4free or Video Secrets who ever it is thought this best model up, should be ashamed of themselves Quote

But Mark - I have to give my two cents also,

Semi-private - girls mostly often choose that by themselves. Thats not the thing they are worse or anything. That system works for them only better probably.

Premiere - those girls are girls who put an extra effort in being on chat - with for example great techincal setups, they are long on site or they are long on the site and more reasons. And they chose that system by themselves as well. It doesnt mean that site is cruel to us, models, or anything


Thank you for your sweet words though - that's so good to appreciate all of us *muah* Quote

great conversation piece mark! its too bad there haven't been more people chiming in on it.

let's look at the reality of this site: it's all about sales, it is 100% commission based. similar to car sales, furniture sales, real estate, food servers, etc only this sale is based on sexual fantasy. F4F is going to pay it's better sales people more since they bring in more money for the site - as much fun as it is, it still is plain and simply a business. ever walk into a car dealership and see the "#1" seller awards or employee of the month awards? they are there to reward the better sales people and ultimately draw potential clients to those salespeople because there is a greater chance that the better salesperson is going to make a sale than the bad salesperson is. so ultimately someone who is better at their job is going to make more money.

don't get me wrong now, i'm not saying that non-premiere models deserve less or aren't as important. my favorite just made the leap to premiere and she is hardly ever in the top 20, so i think you can believe me when i say that i don't think anything less of non-premiere models. but if you look at it from a business angle: if you get more sales (for whatever reason) than you are going to be rewarded more. being a business owner i can understand that. i have many friends that are great, great people but couldn't sell a glass of water to a man in the desert.

i work in sales myself and have worked damn hard to climb the ladder and become the best sales person in our company (and i'm not being arrogant, i've got the numbers to back me up), so i get a better schedule and better opportunities because of it. all things being equal, yes, everyone is the "same", but all things are not equal and the business owner is only concerned about the bottom line. is it fair? no, but life never has been. this world has always catered to the stronger, faster, hotter, richer person - just the way it is. i stopped preaching equality years ago and decided that life was never going to switch over to the "everyone is equal" mindset, so i might as well take advantage of any angle i could get. some models make half their money on guys who take them pvt for hours upon hours every week. so those other models are working WAY harder to get the same amount of minutes in pvt as the other models who are chillin, talking on the phone for hours. it's not fair, but it's just the way it is sometimes. F4F is here to make money, not make friends. so while we develop a personal relationship with the models we visit and hope the best for them, i think it would be fair to say that the higher powers and flirt have maybe, MAYBE visited 10% of the models who have ever been on this site and i doubt they even notice when models leave.

i don't disagree with your viewpoint mark, just wanted to show the other side of the coin too. if that is what is said to grey members about premiere, then my problem doesn't lie with them promoting the premiere model, they need to re-word it so it's less offensive to grey users

i'm not here to re-start the great debate on why some models start right away and go premiere. but the way premiere was originally set up, the method makes sense. not having greys in premiere is a luxury for the model as she doesn't have to deal with anyone who hasn't proven that they won't go pvt, thus increasing the pvt % for the model. it's all a business, and just like in life not all aspects will be agreed upon by everybody, but i think of all the web-cam websites out there F4F has done the best job of keeping the fairness level closer to "on point" than any of the other ones. Quote

Hello Guys & Gals,

The Top 20 works as is:

Ranking is done depending on total private minutes/month.
So by taking a look at the current list, Kalikatt is in the number 1 spot and Kelda in number 2.
Kalikatt on the left hand side, and Kelda directly next to her on the right end.

Now, you ask, why do we have a Top 20 list? It is not discrimination by any means, its an opportunity to receive recognition in this sea of beauties.

And- it helps customers navigate!
Just like Fresh Faces, where newbies can be easily found on here!


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I was looking through the forum and found the top20. And I read a responce from the lovely Cameron Knight. That is not fair. Why should some model's get paid more then other model's. They are all the same. They to what ever the member's want. And those poor model's in semi room's get less. I became a grey recently to see what the grey's get. Trying to get into Premiere room, I didn't believe what it said.
yOU CAN'T GO INTO THESE ROOM'S THESE MODEL'S ARE THE BEST. Or something like that.
What the fuck. No model is the best, They are all the same. Bang out of order. Thankyou


i have personaly been told by some 'premiere' models that they were premiere because they are the best!!...you know what..fucking bullshit!...they just think they are the best but in fact they are not..iv seen 'fresh faces' here that are already better then those big heads in premiere...so dont tell me your the best...anyway i dont even go in models room who are premiere anymore.. .i took one model in premiere and my show lasted 15mins instead of the 30mins i bought so premiere just sucks!! Quote

Thanks Nubia,
But maybe you can answer how a model who has not been on for a few days can move up in the Top 20 list...if it is on based upon Private minutes. Because I have watched the list (as have others) and that has always been a question. Quote

Thanx gdiddy. I was hoping you would write somthing. I've been reading your messages on here, and members and model's respect you. I do understand better now. I just got ratassed over the BEST MODEL shit. Thanx again. Quote

Hey hun,

I can understand your frustration, but please know that Premier is not something awarded, at this point. It is up to the studio/model to contact Eli, Jamie, or Eddie (depending on who is your rep) and make the request. They (the reps) will evaluate if the model would be a good candidate. If you are interested, I suggest you contact your rep and state that you'd like the opportunity.

Premier models are no necessarily the best on the site. Good models making great minutes can choose not to be in Premier, much like good models can request to have Premier.

If you see a model who shouldn't be in premier, in your opinion, I would suggest you let the rep also know. Feedback is always taken into account as well as appreciated.

Thanks for the time guys! I'll let you all get back to
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Hello hello,

The Top 20 is correlated to the total private minutes in the month, and does not depend on login date. It tallies all the models private minutes accordingly.

Happy Friday Quote

thanks for the feedback nubia. it's always good to hear it straight from the horses mouth!! glad to see your activity in the forums. it's nice to know that our voices are being heard! Quote

Thanx you for replying. I take it you work for f4f or video secret's. I Just got mad at how the company made out that Premiere Model's are the best. Like gdiddy explained, I understand, BUT your company shouldn't write on your site that Premiere model's are the best. And no I haven't got any model's who shouldn't be in Premier Quote

any one that has vs_ in front of their name works for the site. the "F4F admin" avatar gives that away too! lol - the only ones i've seen in here are vs_nubia and vs_brad. vs stands for Video Secrets which is the parent company for F4F. Quote

Thanx gdiddy. I was hoping you would write somthing. I've been reading your messages on here, and members and model's respect you. I do understand better now. I just got ratassed over the BEST MODEL shit. Thanx again.


i appreciate the kind words man, glad to hear that you value my contributions to the site! it's amazing how many people probably are thinking the same things you are but no one speaks up, so i'm glad to see someone else sharing their opinions in the forums! keep it up man - look forward to seeing your name around more Quote