Yeah, uh ..its supposed to be all about the dollar, not specifically who spends it.

Dudes with superhuge wallets need the egos padded too? damn.


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Yeah, uh ..its supposed to be all about the dollar, not specifically who spends it.

Dudes with superhuge wallets need the egos padded too? damn.

I like the intent behind it, but like others, am reading it as to be "he or she with the fattest wallet, and the willingness to spend it, wins"

I'm not at the point where I'm ready to leave the site over this, however, it does make me re-examine how much time I'm gonna buy in the future......


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I posted over in the VIP section thread, but I'll repeat it here.

Even if they do manage to somehow make it not about spending, this isn't a good idea.

I think they're messing with a fundamental element of this site - the illusion or fantasy that each of us is equally special to these ladies. They're shattering that by making some members more special than others, and for what? What is the gain? The top ranked "fan" (spender) doesn't win anything except everyone else knowing he spends more than them, the rest of the members don't win anything except being put in their place, and the models don't win anything.

I'm new to Flirt, but not new to cam sites, and one of the things I've liked a lot since I've been here has been the way the models interact with members - new ones and old ones alike. I think this is going to negatively affect that. I can easily imagine models actually being somewhat less friendly with their higher ranking members, just to try to avoid looking like their playing favorites.

Even if the top ranked "fan" (spender) feels great for being number 1, well - you've made one member happy. You've made 9 others feel less important, and every other member that visits a model feel like they don't even matter at all. If you think this will make members get competitive, and spend more, I think you're wrong.

And from the other side of the coin, I noticed that I was one model's #1 fan - and immediately set myself to anonymous. Why? Because I already get hassled in some rooms for being friendly, I can't imagine what it would be like if I had a big #1 target on my back.

The powers that be stubbornly keep insisting it will be fair and fun, but I think they're kidding themselves if they can't see it will never be either.

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We added a couple of new leaderboards to the game section showing the top reviewers and top gifters. Anyone who has chosen to remain anonymous in the game is not listed on either of these pages.

http://www.flirt4free.com/game/top-gifters/

http://www.flirt4free.com/game/top-reviewer s/

If you have ideas for other leaderboards, please let us know.

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Just finished adding points (another no-cost way to earn points) for each message you send to a performer via the messaging system.

Points are awarded when the performer opens the message. One point per message, per model, per day. So if you send the performer 10 messages in one day and they open all 10 you're still only going to get one point. This is designed to make sure we keep the intent of the messaging system on-track and not abuse it for the sake of the game.

That being said, I hope you guys like this new feature. It's already fun to email back and forth with your favorite performers and now you can earn some points in the process.

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Why reward members who write reviews?


Because informative reviews from customers about performers is very important to the network. Most people use reviews on shopping sites, etc. With the thousands of performers we have in the system prospective chatters are able to make more informed decisions because of the reviews.

Further, the reviews can help the performers rank better in the search engines. This natural non-spammy content is loved by Google, etc. and can help the performers get more visibility.


I suppose there is enough war between certain model fans already. We all have seen what happened when the "gift" stuff was inserted.


While a little crazy at the outset (before we limited free gifts) the virtual gifting system has come into its own since then and continues to be a way some customers prefer to interact with their favorite performers.

Going forward I think we need to create more ways that fans of performers can band together (instead of fight against each other) for the benefit of their favorite performers. If you have ideas on this topic I'm all ears ... we have some ideas ourselves that we're looking into.

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Will there be a way to opt out of this thing?


You can set yourself to ANONYMOUS. Nobody knows who you are.


Can you create a button like you did on the main page that hides the off line performers that will hide this "game" where I do not have to see it?


No, it would slow down the pages too much to have a user-controlled thing like that everywhere that game elements exist.


Flirt's privacy policy says that I can opt out of having personal information given to third parties. Purchase History is consedered personal informtaion in the policy. I have not given consent and I would like to opt out.


None of your personal information is given to anyone if you set yourself as anonymous. Trust me, nobody cares where you rank ... they only care where they rank and who's in the top 10.

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Today we added another way to earn points without buying a thing ... staying in a model's room for 60 minutes (in a row). It only works once per day per customer/model combination and you earn 60 points.

The change rolled out to all the servers starting this afternoon and we've already added about 20,000 points based on this new element.

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There is simply no way in hell that the top fan of every model isn't going to be the one who spends the most.


If you want, give it some time. I have 14-years of spending and usage data at my fingertips and I know that customers who spend a lot with a model don't necessarily stick around for years and years with the same performer.


the top ranked "fan" (spender) doesn't win anything except everyone else knowing he spends more than them, the rest of the members don't win anything except being put in their place, and the models don't win anything.


This is only day #2. I understand you don't like it, but it's going to grow and evolve.

Further, some people seem really upset by not being #1. Sure, it's great to be the #1 fan, but being listed in the top #10 is still a pretty damn cool accomplishment IMO.


I can easily imagine models actually being somewhat less friendly with their higher ranking members, just to try to avoid looking like their playing favorites.


Sure, could happen. Also could not happen. Remember, models have always known who takes them private the most ... but they've never been privvy to see who helps them the most with all of these other ways (reviews, time in chat, etc.). As we expand these other ways to earn points it changes the landscape. Don't get hung up on spending.


You're messing with a fundamental element of this site, Brad - the illusion or fantasy that each of us is equally special to these ladies. You're shattering that by making some members more special than others, and for what? What is the gain?


I'm not confident that a game can change how a model feels towards you or vice versa. If you really have a connection it goes far beyond points.


I've heard of no one who likes it - indifference is about as good a reaction as I've seen.


Message forums are great for discussions (which I why I built this one) ... but they're also great for people posting when they don't like something. People have to really love something to come out of the woodwork and voice an opinion. I've seen enough direct feedback and feedback from the models to know that this isn't a flop.


You stubbornly keep insisting it will be fair and fun, and I think you're kidding yourself if you can't see it will never be either.


Well, we will both have to wait and see. We're not scrapping the concept, we're going to stick with it and continue to improve it based on your feedback, the feedback from performers and our ideas based on how we see people using it.


Even if the top ranked "fan" (spender) feels great for being number 1, well - you've made one member happy. You've made 9 others feel less important, and every other member that visits a model feel like they don't even matter at all.


I think your perception of being in the top #10 and not #1 needs to change over time. Being #1 or one of the model's top 10 fans (or even top 100 fans) is cool.


And from the other side of the coin, I noticed that I was one model's #1 fan - and immediately set myself to anonymous. Why? Because I already get hassled in some rooms for being friendly, I can't imagine what it would be like if I had a big #1 target on my back.


Well I'm glad you got some use out of the ANONYMOUS feature. It's unfortunate you didn't give it more than a day to see what it would be like. I personally feel like you're assumming way too much about what that #1 status would mean in other rooms ... but hey, to each his own. The site is for you to use in a way that makes you happy and if being anonymous on the list is what works for you by all means keep it that way.


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I really appreciate all the feedback, both positive and negative. Obviously I have my opinions on this matter and I appreciate you letting me get this out to you as well, whether you agree with them or not.

Remember, this site is about more than any one page, feature, button or tool. Each customer and performer uses it in a different way and if we're to grow we have to cater to many different audiences. Some of the things we add you'll love (I hope!) and some you'll hate (or maybe really really dislike) ... either way, it's your own custom experience.

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I updated the bio pages to hide the list of top fans to existing customers who have spent more than $100 lifetime on the website. This should help dissuade performers who want to spend time looking for their fans on the lists of other performers.

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I updated the bio pages to hide the list of top fans to existing customers who have spent more than $100 lifetime on the website. This should help dissuade performers who want to spend time looking for their fans on the lists of other performers.

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hmmm does that mean I only see ranking when I spent less than 100$ so far



I think it means that if on your time on flirt you have spent LESS than $100 in total you dont see the list. Therefore meaning models cant see the top 10 lists on other models bios. ( as we ALL know models dont have theit own vip members accounts and have not spent more than $100 on the site LOL )

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I think it means that if on your time on flirt you have spent LESS than $100 in total you dont see the list. Therefore meaning models cant see the top 10 lists on other models bios. ( as we ALL know models dont have theit own vip members accounts and have not spent more than $100 on the site LOL )

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i think they're hiding the lists from customers who have spent LESS than $100. The idea is that this will stop the models seeing the lists as they're unlikely to have spent $100 here.


Exactly. We did this to help ease your concerns about performers browsing the lists of other performers and causing drama.

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I don't remember the original Number One Fan thing saying: "Four the last four weeks"

Or did I miss that announcement?

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I don't remember the original Number One Fan thing saying: "Four the last four weeks"

Or did I miss that announcement?

Confused here






I don't believe it did either. I'm also confused, but that's nothing new.


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Given the different opinions here, we will add other lengths of time, 1 week, 180 days, in addition to total accumulated points.

Of course, we will have to pay particular attention to the performers. Sounds like a change to 4 weeks (in other words, one month) for the bio page is pretty popular with them.

Keep an eye out for these changes.

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We pushed out the above noted change to last four weeks for the model bio listing.

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Hi there!

You can see the new four week period noted at the end of the second paragraph here:

http://www.flirt4free.com/game/number-one-fan/

Here you can see all your accumulated points are still here:

http://www.flirt4free.com/my-account/secure/?a=points

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Yeah this is what I was going to bring up in the above posting which I edited after reading the 4 weeks notification. It definitely wasn't up there at the start and makes the whole thing seem kind of pointless if you get your points reset each month. Wasn't it suppose to be about time and longevity?
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dayumm - if that means we have 1 month to spend points we earn ummm whats the use of them ? Quote

The accumulated points still stay the same so you can use those to boost ratings but it is the points acquired for each individual model that gets reset. So you lose your placings and points per model each month.

Why, I do not know and we haven't really been offered a reason for the change either.

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Amazing what some people are doing to earn points on this game, this user left a review for at least half dozen models - funny, part used the same freaking words: "gorgeous girl and a fun time." lmao Quote

The accumulated points still stay the same so you can use those to boost ratings but it is the points acquired for each individual model that gets reset. So you lose your placings and points per model each month.

Why, I do not know and we haven't really been offered a reason for the change either.





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you lose points and placings for per model but keep your accumulated point total.

Why I do not know nor do I really get the point of it all other than a ego boost. Can still only use the points to give the model a power rating boost so other than that its just a pretty number. Quote