Not all models are created equal, neither are members. Do not judge me, I shall not judge you. Especially when we have not met.

I know I am not included in this thread, per se.. But your post seems to be directed to all models, hence why I speak my mind.

Some models put up with a lot from members, and vice versa. But when a member puts a model in tears, shame on member. We would not allow others to treat us thus, why should members be allowed? We are here to enjoy mutaul pleasure, not a model being put through the wringer at the members pleasure. If that is what member wants, then he/she should take model pvt, or find something else.


It is to models who do. It's not to models who don't. You do not know me either.

It is instead of implying. Let's get to know each other. I would like that.


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i lick the dirt from you`re boots bete
if the clueless bastard`s still dont get it____

they not worth educating haha!

how`s about you come out of retirement & do a girl on girl special with hazina? haha!

that would be one awesome box office smash
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the clueless bastards are forgetting that in the countries where most model`s work,it`s a two teer class system___

rich or poor,there is no middle class.you either pay your bill`s or you dont,you either have food on the table or you dont,you either pay for medical care or you dont have the medical treatment.

if the clueless mob lived & worked in the same social system,i think they would understand what being a model means & why model`s have to try to do & say whatever they must to customer`s so they can pay there every day life dollar worries

to all the model`s

to the clueless mob, GROW A SAUSAGE & A PAIR OF SPROUT`S haha!! Quote

*stands behind Brad watching his finger over the BETEBAN button*

LMFAO@this place being a democracy. It's not, it never has been, and it never will be.

As to other aspects of this thread...it's called DUAL ROLES. Yes, you can be a friend to a model, and yes, you can also be a customer. What seems to be overlooked, time and time again in multiple threads (so I am just going to post it here), is that it sometimes reaches a point where a model doesn't need a friend, she needs rent money. It's hard to buy into the "oh, I'm your friend and here for you" or "I want to take a few weeks in chat to get to know you" BS when your landlord is knocking on your door demanding your rent, or you have medical bills. At that point, WE ARE ALL JUST CUSTOMERS, and if the model doesn't think you're going to buy a show, or tip, or whatever, she is going to focus on, and support, the chatters she knows will. Been there, lived it, sick of the clueless bastards who don't get it. So I just have fun on this side of things, and try to make models smile, laugh, and hopefully make their shifts more enjoyable.
The manipulative models comment...um... that's 90% of the job. To be the fantasy that you want them to be. Models who sit there and repeat "cum see my hot pvt" in reply to everything you say were probably taught to do so by their studio, and quite possibly the only English they know. Promises to meet in person could be brought on by the relentless pressure by whoever to do so. Taking a model private just to ask when they're going to meet up with you and let you fuck them is just awkward, and puts models in a bad spot. Lose the private show money that she uses to buy FOOD? Or keep it going for as long as she can and hope someone else steps in to buy shows when that guy finally bails. I can promise you that they aren't telling that particular lie to some random chatter who hasn't gotten a show before, or a chatter who isn't on the "game" list as a top spender. Again, a studio can play a part there too..."tell them whatever they want to hear to keep them in private".

Public apologies aside, both mine and others, this is a stressful occupation and I greatly admire the models who are able to hide that stress, and yes sometimes anger and tears, better than I was. There are a great many wonderful people here, customers and models alike, but reality is reality in the end, whether we like it or not. Just have fun, and don't take anything personally. It is, after all, just a video feed with words on a screen.

*skates off with her lovely partner Hazina, another shiny Manji throwing star in the air*


I think it is very interesting that you never responded to my original post here Bete.
My only thought after reading your posts here and elsewhere is the costumers that frequented you room when you were a model must have sucked because you seem to have such anger.
I have made mistakes and I have admitted them, yet I continue to hear about "models having run off in tears" Yet from you I hear that this is a business. Which is it. I have never had someone I was doing a business deal with run off in tears, however I have often had someone I was in a relationship with run off in tears.
It is an unfair standard. You want it to be all about business on the models side because they have to buy food and have medical bills but as soon as the customer starts treating it like a business and insists on customer service instead of simply drooling and tipping then they are assholes.
In my case I was wrong, you were wrong and someone did truly get hurt.
But in the overall scheme of things models can't run away because they don't like what is going on and customers can't simply sit there and watch without paying for something. Models should earn what they get and when they do customers should shower them with tips.
Bete I find you very interesting and would like to get to know you better. I am sure we could have some great debates and disagree without being disagreeable.

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since you have testicles that's not bloody likely Quote

::wakes up hungover:: wtf's been going on w/ this? Did I miss something??? Meh....::curls up back asleep...:: Quote

since you have testicles that's not bloody likely

And I intend to keep them so I guess it is better we don't become friendly

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Now that shit made me lol.... Quote

since you have testicles that's not bloody likely


....wats wrong with testicles?? *Kert whispers "have u checked urs lately??"

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....wats wrong with testicles?? *Kert whispers "have u checked urs lately??"




Now that shit made ME LOL
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its the flirt4free state penetiary for the mentally insane haha!
i know im a sandwich short of a lunchbox haha!
but from the evidence of many recent thread`s, including this one___

this co-habited mixed gender,heinz feild sized padded white cell is bursting at it`s seams haha!

come on guys & girls,give me some space to take a dump

haha!

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I'm not sure what all this hullabaloo is about, but I wanted to chime in here, cuz I can see both sides of Bete and the others' debate.

I've been on Flirt for a year and a half now, and I don't see what I do as "all business." I spend 1/3rd of my time camming, the rest of the time modeling and starting up a modeling-related business where I produce vids and photo stories for custom clients, sometimes with other models, and freelance web design. I could easily stop camming and do all the other stuff. I choose not to.

Wanna know why?

I actually really enjoy it. I'm an exhibitionist who gets off on people getting off on me. There, I said it.

Plus, the nutjobs, losers, or rude people have honestly been such a small percentage of the people I meet on here. I have met some of the sweetest, nicest-seeming people here on Flirt. And not to mention, many of the customers are actually HOT! Men and women...I've had some really steamy cam2cams...mmmm! Sorry, got distracted there.

That being said, I also understand this "you gotta pay your rent" argument.

We cam girls go to a lot of trouble and effort - I put a lot of investment in my makeup, hair, clothes, shoes, toys...also, when we're on cam, we're always "on." It can be tough sometimes, when you've had a bad day, to log into that chat room and be smiling, and flirty, and nice to everybody; but many of us do it. All we ask for, is some respect back, and to be able to make somewhat of a living at this. And that's it.

I can understand why models get annoyed with freeloaders in party chat. And if you come into my room bringing nothing but negative attitude, insults, or disrespect, I really appreciate that Flirt has given me the authority to kick you out. One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch and bring down the mood of everyone in the room.

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I don't think they should ban someone for not going into a show, tho, because you never know when the guy who's sitting there, quiet in the corner, could end up becoming your best customer.


xaclty Miss Pandora ... imagine if we all got charged for wanderin' the aisles of the supermarket before decieding to buy a peach! we'd all b broke and there would b tons of rotten peaches! ... this makes sense?? i am sure it will to all the 'special' people out there ...

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I'm not sure what all this hullabaloo is about, but I wanted to chime in here, cuz I can see both sides of Bete and the others' debate.

I've been on Flirt for a year and a half now, and I don't see what I do as "all business." I spend 1/3rd of my time camming, the rest of the time modeling and starting up a modeling-related business where I produce vids and photo stories for custom clients, sometimes with other models, and freelance web design. I could easily stop camming and do all the other stuff. I choose not to.

Wanna know why?

I actually really enjoy it. I'm an exhibitionist who gets off on people getting off on me. There, I said it.

Plus, the nutjobs, losers, or rude people have honestly been such a small percentage of the people I meet on here. I have met some of the sweetest, nicest-seeming people here on Flirt. And not to mention, many of the customers are actually HOT! Men and women...I've had some really steamy cam2cams...mmmm! Sorry, got distracted there.

That being said, I also understand this "you gotta pay your rent" argument.

We cam girls go to a lot of trouble and effort - I put a lot of investment in my makeup, hair, clothes, shoes, toys...also, when we're on cam, we're always "on." It can be tough sometimes, when you've had a bad day, to log into that chat room and be smiling, and flirty, and nice to everybody; but many of us do it. All we ask for, is some respect back, and to be able to make somewhat of a living at this. And that's it.

I can understand why models get annoyed with freeloaders in party chat. And if you come into my room bringing nothing but negative attitude, insults, or disrespect, I really appreciate that Flirt has given me the authority to kick you out. One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch and bring down the mood of everyone in the room.

I don't think they should ban someone for not going into a show, tho, because you never know when the guy who's sitting there, quiet in the corner, could end up becoming your best customer.



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I truly do not know what all models think nor do I know what all customers think.
My feeling is that there is this under tone on this site that only the "cool" people are worth paying attention to and bete and her little "want to be mafia" somewhere along the line "self proclaimed" themselves the judge jury and executioner of anyone that dare come on the site with a different perspective (Like being banned simply because another customer tipped the model to do it sucks)
It is like high school all over again except this time I am not 17 and I know the secret.. The ones that put on the biggest show, the ones that are constantly trying to grab the most attention, yes the ones that are the biggest bullies are the ones who are really afraid that we commoners might just find out who they really are if they don't keep up the canard. They are scared to death that we will find out that they are as common as we are so they band together and give themselves imposing names like mafia or maybe even the Jets or the Sharks.
And they go around laughing at people who don't get their little inside jokes, when the truth is they don't get them either LOL It was simply the first thing that popped into their little pea brains.
Again think about this people, this place is like the worst part of high school. You have bete and her "wanna be's" strolling around the halls and knocking your books out of your hand, making fun of everyone simply because they thinkk they can. Then there are the incredibly hot chicks that flaunt everything but you know you will never get with them without a $100K car and a $250 dinner, then you have the nerds like us accepting all of the BS because we think we have to. We keep paying to be mistreated (although I know there is a category for that so if you are in to that then I give you a pass) We are the customers and yet either we are being constantly asked to go PVT, we are being treated like we are not cool enough because we do not understand all of the "unwritten rules" that bete's so called "wanna be" mafia thinks up everyday when some brain cells actually spark, which probably isn't often, or we are being banned from a room either because we couldn't pay enough to stay in the tip game or someone so much "cooler" than us tipped a model who was also so much "cooler" than us to ban us.

The fact is we are the customer and while the customer is NOT always right, contrary to the saying, the customer is always the customer and absent of being a total and complete jerk, should be treated with respect (That is if this is a business as Godmother Bete claims).

Our only power is through the money we spend on this site. If you feel like you are being treated badly then don't go to that room. Look on the forums at the models that support Bete and don't go to there rooms. The models all work for themselves and they will get the message soon enough.

Also read this quickly as I am sure bete is working to have her minions take it down. That is the way people of her irk work. She can say anything, do anything, be anything, but god help anyone that challenges her.

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*playing the worlds smallest violin*

(men's heads exploding)

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*playing the worlds smallest violin*

(men's heads exploding)



My head is squarely on my shoulders and in tact. In fact from this vantage point I see right through your pathetic attempt to disguise you own insecurities.

Maybe someday you will actually come up with a reasoned, thoughtful retort, instead of your pithy little sayings and your nonsensical narratives from what you dream your life could be.

ON the other hand that might take hooking jumper cables up to your ears to actually get something firing in that tiny little thing brain of yours.

If I wasn't laughing so hard at you I would pity you.

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*just laughs.. and runs with Red*



Jsmac is no longer coming to my room because of your "mafia".


Can I join the mafia, or is it more like fight club and we can't talk about it.

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