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he was impeached (accused, charged) but NOT convicted by the Senate.
hope that helps clear it up



Ok I understand now.....accused but never convicted. I just woke up and didn't read it correctly...
I thought you meant he was kicked out of office.

well responded

some things i believe we have to agree to disagree on though

the first point, i am willing to let it drop if you like, but i want to reitterate that saying in jest (or not in jest if you prefer, since you feel the joke was not much of a joke) that the world hates america does not in any way justify linking me to any kind of nazi. you accused me of being deliberately inflammitory with my propaganda comment....how can you possibly justify something like that? i'm sure you know full well that being linked in any way to the nazi beliefs or actions is about the most insulting AND inflammitory thing you can accuse somebody of. it disgusts people by its very nature. i may not like the way america carries itself in the international community, and i may not agree with all of the belief systems in place throughout your country, but i certainly don't burn, poison or torture americans. i do not ask for, or expect, any kind of apology from you (for that comment or any other you have made) but i think it is very very important that you understand that it is that very behavior which tends to create opinions like mine about your country and by extension, its people. when someone says "i hate canadians" we don;t say "you must be a nazi". and you can substitute any other nationailty and the result is the same (ummmm...maybe not jewish). really really think about that

nor do i expect you to apologize at all for the bush administration. i know that many many americans are embarassed by him, and i get no pleasure out of that (its not like we have never had a bonehead in charge here). and these issues are not bush specific. it is a sad fact that he seemed to exemplify a lot of them, but they existed before him and will exist after him. i think it was suggs who said that people will always have disagreements with other nations actions, and i think that is basically true. while it is a fact that canada has a better public image (for lack of a better term) it by no means makes us perfect, i'm sure there are people out there who dislike some of our actions/beliefs. and the same can be said for every country on the planet i am sure.

and as for the power thing, again keep in mind i do not talk specifically about W. But my points are valid, if the leader of your country is not leading in a way your country wants to be lead, things can be changed. And make no mistake, if not for Hummergate, clinton would almost certainly have remained in office. he was enormously popular when he was elected, and i think is generally viewed as a decent president, particularly from an economic POV. there was no real reason for him to lose power that comes to mind, although feel free to throw down if you have something here. just because the senate voted (narrowly) not to convict him, doesn't mean it didn't slow him down.

our system here is both similar and different. we have 3 major parties here, as well as various independants and the always amusing (and exponentially expanding lately) Green party. it does create a different dynamic than your two party system of course. unfortunately, as in the US, independants rarely have an impact on anything, which i think is a real shame because as you already said, it basically leaves you with a choice between the 3 majors, or the Greens. But for whatever reason, people rarely cast a vote for an independant. however, unlike in the US, here in Canada a minority government can be overthrown, and occasionally this is excersised. For example, right now our Conservative Party is in power (the most total seats). However, they do not posses 50% or more of the seats, meaning that the other two parties together can (in nontechnical terms ) say 'fuck this, you guys are idiots, we're done here' and force an election. they can basically say 'we represent, combined, the majority of canadians and we feel your actions are outside of their interests'. this tactic rarely serves to change the power structure (at least in my lifetime) but what it can do is force the government to watch itself very very carefully. the threat of a non confidence vote is often enough to derail whatever boneheaded scheme is in question. and the threat of this is in my opinion, the real value. actually forcing an election as i said rarely works and it does tend to piss people off if abused, but like i said, the threat is more often than not enough.

i don't know enough about american politics to know if any system like this would exist there, but if enough people bitch, something almost always happens, that i know for certain. voting mr obama in was (again in my opinion) a great thing. but elections are not the only way to force a change if a system is failing its people. and like i said, this isn't about the bush admin specifically. the point i am trying to make is, whoever leads you, their actions will reflect on your country and its people on an international level, and if you disagree with what is being done, the onus is on you to make it known and (if the majority of people agree with you at least) make it stop. saying you disagreed in retrospect might make you feel better but it won't change the international communities opinions. you and I don't live in an iraq-under-saddam type situation where we can say "thank god he's gone, we hated that shit" and hold our heads high. we live in democratic, free countries and we have the power to change what is being done. if we choose not to, we are as much at fault as the people doing it. nobody is going to shoot you for standing up and saying "this is wrong".

i also will add something i have not said before. while i detest the way america has carried itself in the past, i do not belittle every single thing the country has done. america has done a lot of good in the world, like many other influential nations. and I am certain that more good than harm has been done. to me it is the attitude of America (as a whole) that casues my dislike, not so much the actions. I don't agree with everything America has done, but there are many things I do believe were right. we won't touch on specifics in either case, because that has no bearing here. my dislike of america, believe it or not, does not stem from americas feeling that it needs to police the world, but more from the way that (be it in trade, immigration policy, environmental policy etc etc etc) america constantly feels the need to give the rest of the world the finger, basically because like a childhood bully, they feel being the biggest and most aggresive makes them right.

i have to leave now, so pea!
and give me something good to answer when i get back

cheers

and give me something good to answer when i get back
cheers



my kiss is always enough as a respond

rock on

and for some reason it removed the 'ce' from peace.....ooops

First, let me remove my fellow Americans from the Nazi linkup. There wasn't a big conference where we took a vote and agreed "every time we see I hate Americans, use the old Nazi link trick" Nope that is pure DoRide for better or worse. I see a disturbing habit in your thought, namely to group people by nation. Candians would never do this, etc. I suspect that might be part of the problem.

Yep I made the link of hate to Nazi. I suggest you look at it that way. The link of one concept to another, instead of involving yourself in it personally. lol and I certainly can't be expected to understand how your opinion of my motherland will change by some link I make. Secondary effect.

Second. This individual here (waving his hand) absolutely despises the word 'hate'. Apparently we have different senses of this word. For me it conjures up those very images of goosestepping goons doing terrible things to people. I get the feeling that you throw it around much more loosely than I do. As maybe in 'I hate to wait in line. ' Or 'I hate these trousers. '

Again, we, my countrymen, don't have an agreed upon sense for how much to read into 'hate'. Fred didn't come up to me this morning and say, 'can we do a hate sense calibration right now? I am feeling a little out of sync with the herd'

So if you feel that my take is extreme, label me in your thinking as some kind of hate zealot. But please don't let it degrade your image of the US lol. After all it could just be that I am one of very very few with that particular take on the whole thing.

Third. For me the biggest problem in the world is the lack of value attached to human life. As seen in fanatics who are encouraged to crash airplanes into towers for the sake of glory and acceptance by their imaginary friend without regard to their precious lives. Also as was seen in the old Soviet Union, where the good of the state was more important than the good of the individual. Where human life was cheap.

The individual is of primary importance to me. Individual rights. Individual freedoms. Nationalism is often just a device used by those who want to glue men together to serve their own selfish ambitions. The state's advancement should never be at the expense of the individual.

So this whole the US is this or that thing is especially tedious to me. I don't identify as strongly as you might think with it. My concern is that people just think somewhat linearly instead of the way they often do - kicking a dog because their boss chewed them out.

It is a shame you weren't here to hear all the freaking bitching during the Bush administration. I get the impression that you think we were all kissing his ass, or at the beach for all those bloody years. Of course there was dissent. All kinds of hair, pulling coma inducing arguments. Air waves filled with in- depth discussions where sombre looking hosts dissected the silly bullshit that we were being fed. Generals rebeled. Jokes were made. Holy cow, what bleeding more do you want from us!?!! Do you have any idea what it is like to hear their crap for 8 long, long, endless f'ing years!!!!! Talk show hosts had field days. Parents and kids were at each others throats. Dogs and cats lay down together.

Lord, and as for the US being some big ass bully ... (pauses for a few)
I've never seen a wimpier bully. Dressed in pink!!! Little finger out!!!
Always conflicted. Always asking whether he really ought to do this or that. What are the bleeding cosmic implications of every act.

So if you want to see yourself as persecuted by the big, bad US. Feel free. To me it seems more like the kind of contented bitching you hear in the family car on the way to Yellowstone than any serious problem I need to obsess about.

Have a great week. I am done with this.

This individual here (waving his hand) absolutely despises the word 'hate'. Apparently we have different senses of this word. For me it conjures up those very images of goosestepping goons doing terrible things to people. I get the feeling that you throw it around much more loosely than I do. As maybe in 'I hate to wait in line. ' Or 'I hate these trousers. '


agreed 100%, we do have different senses of that word, and I do use the word more loosely, in exactly the ways you quoted. I see your point about the real meaning, and i agree with you on that.

i am completely unwilling to apologize for the joke i made, however, i will concede that maybe dislike would have been a better choice of words, and I will be a little more careful with the word hate from now on. if thats what you were after, then congrats you win...

but either way, you are right it is done. I would like to say again that to me this was a debate, and a rather difficult one. i think each of us had some good points, and

"Fred didn't come up to me this morning and say, 'can we do a hate sense calibration right now? I am feeling a little out of sync with the herd' "

acutally made me laugh out loud .

anyways i hope you didn't take any of this too personally or anything, i know i didn't and there are no hard feelings here. peace!

respectfully,
JD

So if I do the Sarah Palin thing, I might not be appreciated?

I speak Spanish and English. I can understand some Portuguese.

My English is very southern, but one Spanish speaking visitor told me I did not much of an accent when I speak Spanish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

All I wanted to read about is sexy Russian women. A subject so very close to my heart!

So if I do the Sarah Palin thing, I might not be appreciated?
=

lol Please don't.

anyways i hope you didn't take any of this too personally or anything, i know i didn't and there are no hard feelings here. peace!


Right. I am an American. We now know you don't hate me. But you don't like me. That's fine.

Although I would have preferred to earn that dislike from something I did on my own instead of merely being part of a set.

Regardless, we are grateful for small things in this world. Peace.

i am completely unwilling to apologize for the joke i made, however, i will concede that maybe dislike would have been a better choice of words,

Oh and by the way. One more thing...

Others here may be fooled by your use of emoticons and silvery words. But this 'joke' was nothing more than a punch. You insist on throwing it. You get off on it. I'm sure you'll throw more at any 'good' opportunity that arises. I am sure you relish the clap on the back you get from like-minded people here.

But I think you'll find that we are less likely to just sit back and take it on the chin now. We've gotten rid of the bums we were ashamed of.

And we have as much distaste for such tactics as any civilized people.

Fare thee well boy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
All I wanted to read about is sexy Russian women. A subject so very close to my heart!


Many pardons. You see I am still new at this. Perhaps if I were an African American, for example, I would have a better feel , by continual exposure, for differentiating the mild cases of bigotry from the more severe.

Here we have a case where I am merely disliked for being part of a group. Instead of hated. So the Nazi reference was overkill. Yep. My bad.

Thanks for your support.

There's rotten stinkers everywhere dude! Hell even in Yowzerland, there are some unsavoury characters... I'd say don't judge us all by their standards... but I am probably one of them (I hope not, but then again... ask an impartial observer.)

Back to sexy slinky Russian girls!

Oh and by the way. One more thing...
Others here may be fooled by your use of emoticons and silvery words. But this 'joke' was nothing more than a punch. You insist on throwing it. You get off on it. I'm sure you'll throw more at any 'good' opportunity that arises. I am sure you relish the clap on the back you get from like-minded people here.
But I think you'll find that we are less likely to just sit back and take it on the chin now. We've gotten rid of the bums we were ashamed of.
And we have as much distaste for such tactics as any civilized people.
Fare thee well boy.


aww and i thought it was over.....

tell you what. i don't know who you think has been clapping me on the back here.....the only person to really interject at all was Suggs and he basically said (without actually saying...) drop it boys
why aren't you crying and calling the american dude who said "russians hate americans" a nazi? is he part of the 'we' you speak of who won't take it? who are these 'we'? and what aren't you going to take anymore? the way the world looks at you when you say your american? move somewhere else.

i am going to leave this past weekends fox fiasco out of this discussion, because i hope to god that america was as disgusted by those ignorant cocksuckers as the rest of the world was.

but, even dropping that (i am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't share their opinions, since i have some shred of respect for you) i don't think distaste is a word you want to use right now man. you waived the right to use that word the second you related anti-americanism to nazism. as the link above said, you lost the argument the second you did that. you can cry, reference black people for some weird reason, and cry some more... it doesn't make it acceptable man

tell you what? since i am canadian and i said something you don't like, why don't you start a petition to change the name of canadian bacon to Freedom bacon!!

or we could be adults and just drop it.

since you like my little smiley dudes, here's one more for you:

or we could be adults and just drop it.


It takes two to tango

most people under 60 in the developed world speak workable english, grammar might not be perfect or some vocabulary hunting may be needed, but they can communicate well enough

the problem most (there are some REALLY good ones, every porn star who i've seen do this is awesome at it, and a few others) eastern euro, ukrainian, and russian girls have is they dont say much and they dont do much; the hottest girl out there may be a sex demon in private, but nobody would be interested in a girl who moves and talks like a corpse (except a few hardcore customers who know what she can do, and a few really creepy people)

the reason is they treat it like a shit job; like working at mcdonald's, but with dildos instead of burgers

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_ : agreed, i'm as much at fault, i'm gonna let it go.

mcdonald's but with dildos = awesome

This is the most nonfantasiful straight fantasies thread all week, and I cannot even blame John Jay for any of it.


amicu, I could not agree more. However I did spot one fantasy.

but nobody would be interested in a girl who moves and talks like a corpse (except a few hardcore customers who know what she can do, and a few really creepy people)

Seems elsydeon may have overlooked Suggs! Maybe he would be professionally interested!

Apologies Suggs. Just trying to bring some humour to this thread.

(If you wish to know why I think this amusing check his profession in his post in the thread - "What your real job part 2 ?" )

Suggs is a different kind of creepy.