A few times this week I had the 'pleasure' of having to deal with some abusive guys in a couple of my favorite model's room. Two different guys but same basic situation.

Case A: His argument went something like: I pay lots of money to this site and this model won't show me her ass in chat. His level of agony and outrage was similar to when a father loses a child lol. When I ignored him and was having a nice conversation with the model he tried to drag me into his feud. Explaining his 'case' to me, unsolicited, and obviously taking great offense that the only person responding to him was the model and none of his 'comrades' lol.

I've seen this guy around. He is a regular. So he is sincere in his view - no matter how obnoxious and self-centered it is. Normally he is just a tad egomaniacal and no great chore for a model that likes his money as much as anyone else's.

So buddy, in honor of your years of service to us all, here is a chance to respond to the great injustice done to you without disrupting someone else's work place or someone else's good time. I really doubt you read this Forum, or give a shit, but here is your chance buddy. Let's see how popular your view of model/customer relations is here. And if it is you who called me an ass kisser because I continued to treat that fine lady so well, then I would love a chance to share my carefully worded reply to you.

Otherwise, I won't presume to explain why what you did was so wrong. Will leave that to someone else if you respond.

Case B: Very similar to A but just much more. Again sincere but with a strange view of what is proper, decent. Hadn't seen him around before. Basically raising the question of how anyone could be so stupid as to take this model private. Because of some great offense done to him. You can imagine what it was. One of my favorite models, right before I took her. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

You too buddy? Didn't get your day in court eh? Come here among your friends and see just how we commiserate with you.

Oh hell let's throw in C

Case C: Much earlier, few weeks back. Had the gall to heckle me for taking a model into Premier Chat. Pathethic clown spoiling the good feeling that everyone has after being with a nice lady, both privateer(heh heh) and lady. lol normally you get this when you do something in pvt that some sod doesn't approve of. Like having the bad grace to actually talk to a model instead of doing the sex that he wants to see through the curtains.

I 'd love to talk to you my friend. Again, you missed your chance because nobody wants to spoil the model's room environment. But please don't feel that nobody wants to hear you speak. I for one would greatly enjoy it out here. It will be just like some of the classics in history, of years gone by. And in the open where real men go at it.

In general, respect, respect, respect. Maybe there should be more knuckle whacking in chat.

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Yeah that's pretty bad.

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I didn't ask them (the models) why they didn't do something differently. Was trying to ignore the guys and make the model feel special. The clowns acting up were members not gray users. You'd think they would know better.

I think there is also a tendency for nice people to tend to allow people with 'complaints' to express them out of fairness, lol. Even when a child can see that these type of 'complaints' deserve far less consideration then everyone else's interests in the room. Reminds me of certain types of free speech that we allow thugs lol, but I digress.


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Sounds like the guy would be arrested if they acted that way in Public

They think being annonymous on the internet allows them to be an asshole - WRONG

Model needs to hit "Alert" button and have member banned

Member can be PERMANTLY banned for acting like that .

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I doubt A , B or C will reply .
No one will support them .


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Dudley you are a gentleman always, I think you I, every model, and just about every member wishes we could all be civil and not "ruin it" for anyone else. I'm sorry to say he probably won't make a post on the forum, people that post on forums tend to like to share things, care about other's opinions and are generally have some idea of how to behave. I'm sure this guy has made waves before if he's done what you described, I know of some other members that hide behind a VIP membership thinking it allows them to get away with everything.

Models are able to eject members once we alert a monitor and get them to assist us. Monitors don't abuse this an will observe a little before booting a member to see if it he deserves it. luckily us models have an "ignore" button and i wish it made those guys invisible for us and you!

BTW Dudley have you written any books? because you're style of writing is a very interesting read.

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May you always Ride with style Dudly


Thank you much LickaU

And I know you will always be working hard to make this site heaven for the models.

Their best friend. And thus ours too.


Model needs to hit "Alert" button and have member banned


heh heh well many are such sweeties that they tend to examine themselves so much before they pull the trigger for fault in others. Very lucky that I don't hold the trigger , for those .... members sakes. I am a bloody tyrant when it comes to such things. Unrepentent. arrrrrrrrr!!!!
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Hey Chelsey, really nice, thoughtful reply thanks.


I'm sure this guy has made waves before if he's done what you described, I know of some other members that hide behind a VIP membership thinking it allows them to get away with everything.


Actually I think it is more subtle than that for guy A anyway. I think there is a very macho view that is taught to many kids and never questioned. It hasn't been that long since there has been real advance in women's rights and also of course, in gaining something other than a hysterical, superstitious, fear-based view of sex. So the guy probably feels like he has some majority view of things and is actually sincerely puzzled when he sees something different, and frustrated. Thinks he is being disrepected when in fact he is the offender.

So my inclination to be very loud and aggressive in reply to this guy has more to do with showing how strongly his view jars with what I feel the progressive, logical view really is. To wake him up, rather than show outrage at some deliberate scheming. He can keep his macho view but has to respect others. None of this ' I am the majority view in the world, by decree, and what I say goes' lol
A good strong whack, that is really harmful only to his pride, I think might be very healthy for him.

But I am a simple man and understand whacking better than more subtle approaches mb. heh heh ; )

BTW Dudley have you written any books? because you're style of writing is a very interesting read.
sometimes i really wonder what guys are talking about while i'm in a show.....


lol is that your sweet, polite way of saying I was completely non-understandable? heh heh ; )

One of my sins is that I take advantage of a captive audience ; ) I am sometimes more cruel than the worst marauder from the Mongol steppes heh heh. This makes me love you all more as you take it with such warmth and grace.

Of course if anyone wants to form up a team of scantily clad models for some sort of joint publishing effort I will certainly jump at the chance : )~~~

And still thinking about our last pvt. Was soooooooooooo hot.

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The cowards won't speak Dudley. Unfortunately I've seen a few more of these guys on here the last week or so. I hold my words unless they are abusive or disrespectful to the model. If they are disrespectful, I will "chat" with the member. The bad apples seem to leave faster when the whole room gets in on them. I try to do most of this when a model is in pvt, so she will not have to deal with it, but it depends on what and when a member comments. I do see some models do try and just ignore these idiots sometimes, but I guess I am not as patient as they are

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Dudley captive or not you remind me of The Hitchhikers Guide, quirky but thought provoking

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Dudley captive or not you remind me of The Hitchhikers Guide, quirky but thought provoking


Ooooh another Guide-aholic? So cool and so dangerous... The way I am wired... Makes you more irresistible. Quote

The cowards won't speak Dudley. Unfortunately I've seen a few more of these guys on here the last week or so. I hold my words unless they are abusive or disrespectful to the model. If they are disrespectful, I will "chat" with the member. The bad apples seem to leave faster when the whole room gets in on them. I try to do most of this when a model is in pvt, so she will not have to deal with it, but it depends on what and when a member comments. I do see some models do try and just ignore these idiots sometimes, but I guess I am not as patient as they are



I think you provide a valuable service. I am often really quick in and out of a room. So am not likely to get involved, because am not there to begin with and will miss a lot of comments even while there.

It is good that you have thought out what you will do in advance. Less likely to flare up with some emotionally fulfilling but less productive response.

In the 'real life' I have also noticed a tendency for quality of life to get better when people take pride in their surroundings and don't tolerate abuse as just a fact of life. The more everyone pitches in the less pain endured by those who take some time to make life better for all. Quote

Ooooh another Guide-aholic? So cool and so dangerous... The way I am wired... Makes you more irresistible.


Raises a Pan-galactic Gargle Blaster to Dudley and Miss Eden -- We'll have to meet for a meal at the Restaurant at the end of the Universe

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mmm to say that or not to?... oh Loona come on - say it! / No... he will turn bigheaded... / Ah give a break - Loona! go! / I dont know...?

Ok ok I won't say Dudley has this amazing style which allows turn on by words.
I won't tell he can use sentences as an aphrodisiac.
I won't tell I love that.
I won't tell he makes me feel like I am in different world, strange and amazing Farfarland...
Everything to not make him think I love that.

Dudley's case makes me think how important for me - and Im sure all models - words are important. We don't have a chance to meet you guys different way. And things you say guys are the main reason we like you or not / adore you or not / get excited by you or....

I have friends in here who I found they have sexy style. And few words of them make my blood rushing faster. Especially words written during privates - I can almost hear man's voice whisperring things into my ear... rawwwrrrr

Have you girls have the same?... I am sure you do... which words you found sexy? or style of telling them?
For example I am turnt on by guy using punctuation... Meoww..

for everybody with sexy words!

ps. I study language maybe thats why I am liniguistically turn on
mmm... LickaU's "alwayses"/"nevers", Sweet's "sweet nothings"... mmmmm
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Raises a Pan-galactic Gargle Blaster to Dudley and Miss Eden -- We'll have to meet for a meal at the Restaurant at the end of the Universe



lol you too Suggs?

I am beginning to think I have stumbled upon some secret society. I hope that this doesn't end up with me running for my life through Paris trying to stop some evil plot.

Or wait, maybe I do. heh heh.

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Everything to not make him think I love that.
Dudley's case makes me think how important for me - and Im sure all models - words are important. We don't have a chance to meet you guys different way. And things you say guys are the main reason we like you or not / adore you or not / get excited by you or....

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I have friends in here who I found they have sexy style. And few words of them make my blood rushing faster. Especially words written during privates - I can almost hear man's voice whisperring things into my ear... rawwwrrrr

For example I am turnt on by guy using punctuation... Meoww..

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ps. I study language maybe thats why I am liniguistically turn on


Somewhere, deep in the dark recesses of the Top Secret wing at DoRide Industries, a computer winks on and starts recording some data to disk. Loona has finally revealed the fatal information that will be her undoing... Even as the doRidian mind sleeps, he has obtained the critical key to unlock her last ,innermost sanctuary.

Somehow he knows, even as he dreams far away in his private chambers. A contented grin spreading across his shadowy features.

Loona... What a lucky, unexpected development... This must be ... exploited. Immediately. Unmarked trucks move hastily constructed goods from his robotic factories. Factories with machinery that already has started to run again. Shattering cobwebs, chasing away shadows, too long covering them. Waking villagers in nearby houses. Smoke starts to billow from smokestacks that too long have left nothing for the blue skies of his homeland to absorb. Ravens and kites start to gather in the nearby Joshua trees, eyes eager. Sensing a major campaign in the making.

The village gets a pulse that has been silent so very long. doom.. doom... dooom.... And an electric feedback hummm like that from a high voltage electric fence.

Oh heaven protect Loona from the coming storm. Her guardian angel watch over her especially carefully. And for them both: Requiem dona eis. Et lux perpetua luceat eis.




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great post dudley! it's too bad that none of those guys have come in here toshare their opinion. i always look forward with an open mind so i would actually be quite interested to hear their side of the story, assuming it was a legit one. if you ever seen them again (or anyone else see anything like this in their room) why don't we ask them to come into the forums and make their case known? while most of these guys are just looking for a free look, there might be a legit reason. i talked to a guy the other day who hadn't taken a model pvt in a long time due to the fact that there was a model who basically took all his credits (and it was a pretty nice chunk) by wasting his time in pvt and never actually doing anything for him. while there's a lot of guys looking for something for nothing, we can't forget there are models who also do!

one thing i really like about these forums is that there are very few members or models who aren't willing to listen to your opinion. i haven't seen too much bashing going on and that's what's cool. you can always count on people like suggs, ozzie, lickau, sweet, saphi, chelsea (sorry for those i neglected to mention) to listen and give considerate feedback. i never feel afraid to post anything for fear that my views might be bashed.

i do enjoy talking to other members in the rooms as well as the models and while we can get some pretty interesting conversations going sometimes, i try and avoid addressing issues in the room. as dudley hinted at, i'm also just trying to make the models day better. i have found it funny sometimes when someone new comes into the room and starts asking questions and the model goes "ugh, we just talked about this... will (diddy or someone else in the room) please fill them in"! sometimes i wish we had an ignore button on our end as well but i think after you've been on the site awhile you just learn to let those annoying people not phase you anymore. Quote

it's too bad that none of those guys have come in here toshare their opinion. i always look forward with an open mind so i would actually be quite interested to hear their side of the story, assuming it was a legit one. if you ever seen them again (or anyone else see anything like this in their room) why don't we ask them to come into the forums and make their case known? while most of these guys are just looking for a free look, there might be a legit reason.



Thoughtful post gdiddy : )

Yeah despite the fact that I am probably not the guy to listen with a fair, level head head to these particular guys anyway, there will be some who will be fair. That is the beauty of having some place outside of a room and discuss matters at leisure. We don't have a court room, and this isn't perfect method, but it beats trying to navigate through all the issues you have to remember while being 'real time' in somebody's room

So yes I think your tip on actually mentioning the Forum as a meeting ground to some guy with a grievance is something to seriously consider. Even for the guy that looks to your ticked off eyes as being a hopeless asshole. He could surprise you.

Yes and agree with your point that in our zeal to protect the model we shouldn't forget that we need to protect everybody from abuse. So we also shouldn't be expected to tolerate it when we see a customer scammed by a model or simply humiliated for no good reason. Though the usual resolution is to simply desert her room. There are times when more is probably your duty.


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Thoughtful post gdiddy : )
Yeah despite the fact that I am probably not the guy to listen with a fair, level head head to these particular guys anyway,



Dudley is this why I have not seen you in so long? You can not tolerate the riff raff in my room?



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Dudley is this why I have not seen you in so long? You can not tolerate the riff raff in my room?

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lol Scarlett. Quite the contrary. My impression of your room is that it is nothing but the best in everything including your guests. A place for the mind as well as the ... passion. A place also where one feels very welcome.

And how do you know I haven't visited, perhaps many times, under different nicknames? Or perhaps slipped in even as voyeur to satisfy my ... curiosity?

My natural range is quite large. And I am nocturnal and often missed unless there is a special cam to catch me going by ; ).

Do not worry. I feel welcome and can be expected at any time heh heh.

Kisses and happy flirting my dear. : )

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lol Scarlett. Quite the contrary. My impression of your room is that it is nothing but the best in everything including your guests. A place for the mind as well as the ... passion. A place also where one feels very welcome.
And how do you know I haven't visited, perhaps many times, under different nicknames? Or perhaps slipped in even as voyeur to satisfy my ... curiosity?
My natural range is quite large. And I am nocturnal and often missed unless there is a special cam to catch me going by ; ).
Do not worry. I feel welcome and can be expected at any time heh heh.
Kisses and happy flirting my dear. : )


haha you perv! Peeking in on me! No I know.. I just miss your lovely humor! I need some stress relief... last week of classes.

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