hey what's happen to the guys this days ?
nobody like to chat and stay silent ?
is not really funny to act like a radio moderator and don't get any response

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I hope these insights will help you understand. There are 11 reasons why it has become rather quiet as of late, many more reasons if you happen to be VIP.
1. Robots great us. Do you want to talk to a fake auto greating?
2. Busy Elsewhere. How dare we interrupt a model enjoying interaction on many other sites.
3. Excessive Kicking/Banning. Do you want to talk after being banned within seconds of entering a room? I actualy miss being banned because it is more authentic than a robot prompting me, at least a ban was real. We remember all those who have banned us durring the reign of terror.
4. Endless Curtains. I am afraid of getting an eye exam the day after I log off from here. Endles waisted time. The admin has increased more and more time waisting flatulance in our face with the monotony of curtain staring.
5. Premiership Rates. In effect the site has basicaly instucted us that anyone of middle class income or below must move to back of the line and choose the crumbs. If a premier model is sucessful, all the more power to them. But, they have left us behind. Still feel like chatting up a storm?
6. Pixilated Video. I never knew HD meant to pay for premier rates when you can not tell who or what you see, excatly. I hope the model can actualy see type.
7. Constant Freezing. At least my index finger gets to move. Sometimes frantically over the F5 button, and that has a way of getting in the way of chatting.
8. Models Begging. In some circumstances a model will often beg, and I am sure you know how anoying talking to a begger can be.
9. Tipping for what? I will sometimes see a room full of purple rain. And nothing happens. I must be missing some kind of interphaze here. Hard to talk when nothing happens after tender rendered.
10. Prodded Initial Chat. I want to chat, but many models seem to be force to make statements. usualy it goes along the lines like this; "Hello______", "How are you?". Then sudden dismissal, and utter silence. What did we do wrong? Do they want to chat? Beter stay quiet. Don't want to upset them.
11. This is The biggest reason for not wanting to chat: The removal of whispering for registered members. If I have to explain this, then there really is no hope.

If all of the anti-member and anti-grey procedures have resulted in more revenue for you, than great! Meanwhile, we can always hope for change.. it is all we have left. Quote

I hate #1. It really irks me to go into a models room and get a fake generated hello. I know they want to make everyone feel welcome but it totally does the opposite to me. Quote

I hope these insights will help you understand. There are 11 reasons why it has become rather quiet as of late, many more reasons if you happen to be VIP.
1. Robots great us. Do you want to talk to a fake auto greating?
2. Busy Elsewhere. How dare we interrupt a model enjoying interaction on many other sites.
3. Excessive Kicking/Banning. Do you want to talk after being banned within seconds of entering a room? I actualy miss being banned because it is more authentic than a robot prompting me, at least a ban was real. We remember all those who have banned us durring the reign of terror.
4. Endless Curtains. I am afraid of getting an eye exam the day after I log off from here. Endles waisted time. The admin has increased more and more time waisting flatulance in our face with the monotony of curtain staring.
5. Premiership Rates. In effect the site has basicaly instucted us that anyone of middle class income or below must move to back of the line and choose the crumbs. If a premier model is sucessful, all the more power to them. But, they have left us behind. Still feel like chatting up a storm?
6. Pixilated Video. I never knew HD meant to pay for premier rates when you can not tell who or what you see, excatly. I hope the model can actualy see type.
7. Constant Freezing. At least my index finger gets to move. Sometimes frantically over the F5 button, and that has a way of getting in the way of chatting.
8. Models Begging. In some circumstances a model will often beg, and I am sure you know how anoying talking to a begger can be.
9. Tipping for what? I will sometimes see a room full of purple rain. And nothing happens. I must be missing some kind of interphaze here. Hard to talk when nothing happens after tender rendered.
10. Prodded Initial Chat. I want to chat, but many models seem to be force to make statements. usualy it goes along the lines like this; "Hello______", "How are you?". Then sudden dismissal, and utter silence. What did we do wrong? Do they want to chat? Beter stay quiet. Don't want to upset them.
11. This is The biggest reason for not wanting to chat: The removal of whispering for registered members. If I have to explain this, then there really is no hope.

If all of the anti-member and anti-grey procedures have resulted in more revenue for you, than great! Meanwhile, we can always hope for change.. it is all we have left.



I'd LOVE the chance to tackle what I can spar, so here is my try, keep in mind please that I am new (at least to being full time - had 9 months off in the middle of my being here too).
1. NOT in my room, but I see your point. In fact, because when I mention a quiet member by name (or someone who just entered) they seem to get spooked and run off I try to talk to the room as a whole unless spoken to specifically. I hate doign this it seems cold, but the disappearing handles thing makes me think ya'll get spooked.

2. Again, not in my room - and plenty of rooms that I have seen where this isn't an issue as well ( coming from myself being a VIP member on your side of things as well).

3. I only ban someone after trying to educate them as to why their behavior isn't ok. If they continue, I don't want to bring the vibe in my room down so yeah, I ban.

4. DEFINITELY not the issue in my room, sadly

5. I've been logging in anywhere from 60cpm - 90cpm this week to test this theory as I thought it just might be the case...I got the most shows at 90cpm (not including 60cpm bc 90 is new to me). Go figure, I know...but just sayin'

6. Not anything I have control over

7. Constant may be exaggerating, but I definitely noticed my feed freezing today about every 30 mins. I had enough and logged out ...no one mentioned it but it did it on my end.

8. The only time you may hear me beg is when a member very rudely(without so much as a hi) something like 'ur not here because of your winning personality ur here for ur bits show us the goods' - yes this happened yesterday and my reply was 'show ballsack bb'. if that is begging then im guilty :D

9. IN MY DEFENSE there is a well known member here who tips for things that aren't sexual at all - such as smiling, sips of coke and i hear for c00kies too. and i get so angry when people call me out for not doing anything for it either! how do YOU know what the member whispered to me to do? you have no clue! this man happens to be my top fan and my only 'training' i've had or guidance in this and he's been there since day 1. i appreciate the living crap outta him! lol

10. not me - im always engaging my room.

11. i have so many vips whispering me everything they have to say, i cant imagine at ALL a room full of them. id always look like i was talking to myself if that were the case! i almost wanna say i wish there were NO whispering, but making it a privilege makes more sense. I'd look so ban happy if you guys couldn't see for yourselves some of the things ppl say. I'm very sensitive though and I know this.

Can we come to an understanding? Quote

Thank you so much for replying.
I found your feedback to be very interesting. I did not expect you to answer.
Your last statement was a question, something along the lines of "Do we have an understanding?"
Quite frankly, the reply is simular to most flirt mail feedback, I think your answers on some of the points to be regurgitations from from insider control, yet many of your other responses seem genuine.
If the higher cpms earn you more, go for it.
Many have expressed dissatisfaction with whispering. All I can tell you is that my spending used to quardruple here, when I could whisper.
Yes, it must be difficult to address what members want, but you do have the tools to deal with almost any situation.
I expected that you would see what it is like from the customer's point of view in my posting.
But, heck if this site wants to play hard ball, keep pushing.
Keep taking privilages away from us.
Keep advocating what make you work and keeps you happy.
All I know is that this USED to be a friendly place and there used to be a lot more chatting, interaction, and fun.
We have taken hit after after hit, yet somehow we still bother to try to log in.
I hope to give it a shot with you one day in chat. Quote

9. IN MY DEFENSE there is a well known member here who tips for things that aren't sexual at all - such as smiling, sips of coke and i hear for c00kies too. and i get so angry when people call me out for not doing anything for it either! how do YOU know what the member whispered to me to do? you have no clue! this man happens to be my top fan and my only 'training' i've had or guidance in this and he's been there since day 1. i appreciate the living crap outta him! lol



I know just who you mean and he is such a great guy! Everyone loves him, and he's truly earned it. Quote

I hope these insights will help you understand. There are 11 reasons why it has become rather quiet as of late, many more reasons if you happen to be VIP.
1. Robots great us. Do you want to talk to a fake auto greating?
2. Busy Elsewhere. How dare we interrupt a model enjoying interaction on many other sites.
3. Excessive Kicking/Banning. Do you want to talk after being banned within seconds of entering a room? I actualy miss being banned because it is more authentic than a robot prompting me, at least a ban was real. We remember all those who have banned us durring the reign of terror.
4. Endless Curtains. I am afraid of getting an eye exam the day after I log off from here. Endles waisted time. The admin has increased more and more time waisting flatulance in our face with the monotony of curtain staring.
5. Premiership Rates. In effect the site has basicaly instucted us that anyone of middle class income or below must move to back of the line and choose the crumbs. If a premier model is sucessful, all the more power to them. But, they have left us behind. Still feel like chatting up a storm?
6. Pixilated Video. I never knew HD meant to pay for premier rates when you can not tell who or what you see, excatly. I hope the model can actualy see type.
7. Constant Freezing. At least my index finger gets to move. Sometimes frantically over the F5 button, and that has a way of getting in the way of chatting.
8. Models Begging. In some circumstances a model will often beg, and I am sure you know how anoying talking to a begger can be.
9. Tipping for what? I will sometimes see a room full of purple rain. And nothing happens. I must be missing some kind of interphaze here. Hard to talk when nothing happens after tender rendered.
10. Prodded Initial Chat. I want to chat, but many models seem to be force to make statements. usualy it goes along the lines like this; "Hello______", "How are you?". Then sudden dismissal, and utter silence. What did we do wrong? Do they want to chat? Beter stay quiet. Don't want to upset them.
11. This is The biggest reason for not wanting to chat: The removal of whispering for registered members. If I have to explain this, then there really is no hope.

If all of the anti-member and anti-grey procedures have resulted in more revenue for you, than great! Meanwhile, we can always hope for change.. it is all we have left.


thank you much for reply and your open words.
and many thanks to cyn too.
not all the room and models be the same, thanks good and i know not all the members be the same.

i can only defense in the same kind like cyn.

#1 not in my room
#2 not in my room, except nobody response too me. if i try to get some response off the guys with dance, talk, joke and teasing and never get any response and only see to be ignored .....
#3 i ban only for really good reasons. excessive demanding or insults
#4 for my understanding you only see the curtains if the model have pvt. good for the girls with endelss curtains
#5 sorry, lol. some days i go on with 15 cpm and still nobody response
#6 i don't know about. but i think my stream is good. not HD but i am sure its ok
#8 i never beg. not in real life and not here
#9 congrats for the models who have this purple rain. i don't know about because it never happens in my room. not before i make show, not inside party and not after. i see only silent rain
#10 from my point of view the chat looks like this: "Hello ....." -> no response, "how are you ?" -> no response, "how was your day ?" -> no response. "hey what we do now guys ? " -> no response or any any rude demand like "open boobs", "ok and what you want to do for me ?" -> no response a.s.o.
#11 i miss the whisper too. but the admin have remove it but we have email here for personal questions and VIP still can whisper

i am really sad about this all. i try to make every member to feel special and nobody, really nobody appreciate it.
It doesn't look like a chat site, much more only like a free tv show.
not only the models make a good time in the room, the members too. and to stay in a room with 50 or more silent people and talk nonstop against the wall don't make mood to go on again. pitty

ahhh and this topic here show's the same. actual 95 views but only 5 responses
really sad
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hey what's happen to the guys this days ?
nobody like to chat and stay silent ?
is not really funny to act like a radio moderator and don't get any response




To me, there's now a lot of indifference to this site, hence, my departure, for the most part. A lot of it has to do with life events that have altered my wants/needs vs what I can afford. I've seen everything from 40-150 cpm depending on the model. $15/minute??? C'mon man...

The whisper function is kinda whatever. It was nice to have, but is it really worth paying $40/month to have? Also, I've found myself coming here less and less partly because this site thought it would be a good idea to allow models to post their twitter handles on their profile, therefore allowing me to connect with the ones I choose to without having to rely on a sketchy email system. Quote

To me, there's now a lot of indifference to this site, hence, my departure, for the most part. A lot of it has to do with life events that have altered my wants/needs vs what I can afford. I've seen everything from 40-150 cpm depending on the model. $15/minute??? C'mon man...

The whisper function is kinda whatever. It was nice to have, but is it really worth paying $40/month to have? Also, I've found myself coming here less and less partly because this site thought it would be a good idea to allow models to post their twitter handles on their profile, therefore allowing me to connect with the ones I choose to without having to rely on a sketchy email system.


i know, all the guys say "bb is too expensive" but to talk and to be a little bit nice is not expensive, is free
and as i say before: if i choose 15cpm (not $15, 15cpm this is $1.5 ) is change nothing too
and again: chat is free and my first point was to ask: why so silent and not why so stingy :*

kisses

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Thank you so much for replying.
I found your feedback to be very interesting. I did not expect you to answer.
Your last statement was a question, something along the lines of "Do we have an understanding?"
Quite frankly, the reply is simular to most flirt mail feedback, I think your answers on some of the points to be regurgitations from from insider control, yet many of your other responses seem genuine.
If the higher cpms earn you more, go for it.
Many have expressed dissatisfaction with whispering. All I can tell you is that my spending used to quardruple here, when I could whisper.
Yes, it must be difficult to address what members want, but you do have the tools to deal with almost any situation.
I expected that you would see what it is like from the customer's point of view in my posting.
But, heck if this site wants to play hard ball, keep pushing.
Keep taking privilages away from us.
Keep advocating what make you work and keeps you happy.
All I know is that this USED to be a friendly place and there used to be a lot more chatting, interaction, and fun.
We have taken hit after after hit, yet somehow we still bother to try to log in.
I hope to give it a shot with you one day in chat.

Thank you for reading my post.

I can assure you that I have absolutely NO manager or training or 'insider voice' (can't remember the term you used) - and none of this is because of me. I'm not taking anything from you. If whispering makes clients happy then I'm all for that! I LOVE my guys here and if you spend some time with me you'll see the special bond I have with the very loyal men who I;ve established this unique connection with. I hope that it can make you happy We're silly and crack a TON of jokes, but if you just stay and observe long enough you'll see the love I'm sorry you're so hurt

I can't remember what the system was like before I had to take time off to get tumors removed from my brain lol (memory is really fuzzy about old cam times here except the PEOPLE!) so it must not have been TOO bad with everyone whispering or else I would have remembered i'm sure. I wish I could give you my VIP account so you can whisper! for obvious reasons I can't

Can you update us if things get better? I'd like to know
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thank you much for reply and your open words.
and many thanks to cyn too.
not all the room and models be the same, thanks good and i know not all the members be the same.

i can only defense in the same kind like cyn.

#1 not in my room
#2 not in my room, except nobody response too me. if i try to get some response off the guys with dance, talk, joke and teasing and never get any response and only see to be ignored .....
#3 i ban only for really good reasons. excessive demanding or insults
#4 for my understanding you only see the curtains if the model have pvt. good for the girls with endelss curtains
#5 sorry, lol. some days i go on with 15 cpm and still nobody response
#6 i don't know about. but i think my stream is good. not HD but i am sure its ok
#8 i never beg. not in real life and not here
#9 congrats for the models who have this purple rain. i don't know about because it never happens in my room. not before i make show, not inside party and not after. i see only silent rain
#10 from my point of view the chat looks like this: "Hello ....." -> no response, "how are you ?" -> no response, "how was your day ?" -> no response. "hey what we do now guys ? " -> no response or any any rude demand like "open boobs", "ok and what you want to do for me ?" -> no response a.s.o.
#11 i miss the whisper too. but the admin have remove it but we have email here for personal questions and VIP still can whisper

i am really sad about this all. i try to make every member to feel special and nobody, really nobody appreciate it.
It doesn't look like a chat site, much more only like a free tv show.
not only the models make a good time in the room, the members too. and to stay in a room with 50 or more silent people and talk nonstop against the wall don't make mood to go on again. pitty

ahhh and this topic here show's the same. actual 95 views but only 5 responses
really sad




I'm SO SORRY hun! I can empathize, truly I can! I think we're all kinda on to something thanks to the spar (going off memory here, sorry if spelling wrong) reply. It's good to communicate and i'm all about finding solutions! (I'm a social worker intern who hasn't finished her hours so i'm kinda good at this lol...and humble too! i digress lol) I believe he is right when he says that whisper has done this to our rooms. Can we not make it to where members cannot see other members at all? Kinda like customers see only an Im between myself and him (but he knows their could be others she needs to attend to as well) and the model can have sections in her chat for the different gentlemen? There really aren't that many who wanna talk lately anyway. This makes me sad because I started all of this webcam stuff to make connections with people

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I didn't want to go down this path, but screw it, I'm doing it anyways. I put a lot of this on VS/F4F and the models.

I remember back in the day when every model was the same cpm, which I believe was 60. Sure, the same rich mofos were still around, however, what's changed is the way these big spenders are treated. It's like they're put on a higher pedestal than those who choose/can't afford to spend the money.

Now that models have been given some freedom as it relates to the cpm they charge, in accordance with their manager's wish, you see some down at 15 and some up at 120. No offense, but I have to wonder about these performers who consistently choose a low cpm. Are you down there for a reason or are you the next undiscovered F4F Hall of Famer? As for those consistenly over 100cpm, I think y'all are just greedy, knowing full well that your sycophants will pay it over and over again.

Those same sycophants get preferential treatment, intentional or not by the model, thus detracting from the overall appeal of the room. I'm not pointing fingers, but I've seen it enough that in combination with the aforementioned life event, it's been enough to keep me from using one of my primary screen names in the rooms, you know, when I actually make it into a room.

What functional purpose would it serve for me to come into your room once, chat for 5 minutes or so and then leave, knowing damn well that it was never my intention to spend one dime in your room? Quote

I did visit Sarasa .
She is cute tiny energetic red haired lady .
She was even naked and the room silent .

I think the addition of "The Flirt Game" caused a lot of silence .
The more rooms a member can be in for 1 hour a day - more Flirt Game points are collected .
ONLY use is to help models and "power boost" the models .

Many of the points spar made are true .
I refuse to talk or spend on a model who uses "auto-greeter" program .
Many models push the 1st minute in the room for immediate private or tips .
It takes many members 3 to 10 visits to get to know and feel more comfortable with a model

Sarasa and Cyn are 2 models who communicate well with the members and not pushy .
Neither uses the auto-greeter and very willing to talk about everyday things as well as sex talk .

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I did visit Sarasa .
She is cute tiny energetic red haired lady .
She was even naked and the room silent .

I think the addition of "The Flirt Game" caused a lot of silence .
The more rooms a member can be in for 1 hour a day - more Flirt Game points are collected .
ONLY use is to help models and "power boost" the models .

Many of the points spar made are true .
I refuse to talk or spend on a model who uses "auto-greeter" program .
Many models push the 1st minute in the room for immediate private or tips .
It takes many members 3 to 10 visits to get to know and feel more comfortable with a model

Sarasa and Cyn are 2 models who communicate well with the members and not pushy .
Neither uses the auto-greeter and very willing to talk about everyday things as well as sex talk .




thank you soooooooooooo much for your vist and your talk. it was really the best time here now for many days.
wish it have some more people like you at this site
any many thanks for your tips and compliments. now i know what means purple rain :D

kiss u Quote

thank you soooooooooooo much for your vist and your talk. it was really the best time here now for many days.
wish it have some more people like you at this site
any many thanks for your tips and compliments. now i know what means purple rain :D

kiss u



Licka you pussy blocker! LOL You beat me you do do head! :P Nah, Sarasa, I'm not surprised he got to you first, treat him well and he will help you more than you can imagine, and I'm TALKING with advice that will get you to the top. He has at least 2 of us up there in the top 20 now :P Quote

I did visit Sarasa .
She is cute tiny energetic red haired lady .
She was even naked and the room silent .

I think the addition of "The Flirt Game" caused a lot of silence .
The more rooms a member can be in for 1 hour a day - more Flirt Game points are collected .
ONLY use is to help models and "power boost" the models .

Many of the points spar made are true .
I refuse to talk or spend on a model who uses "auto-greeter" program .
Many models push the 1st minute in the room for immediate private or tips .
It takes many members 3 to 10 visits to get to know and feel more comfortable with a model

Sarasa and Cyn are 2 models who communicate well with the members and not pushy .
Neither uses the auto-greeter and very willing to talk about everyday things as well as sex talk .




Sadly LickU, those models that need grasp the wisdom your post contains, are also most likely the ones who never come to the forums or dont listen to feedback from members in their room.
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Sadly LickU, those models that need grasp the wisdom your post contains, are also most likely the ones who never come to the forums or dont listen to feedback from members in their room.




Licka once told me that many models aren't granted access to the forums by their studios Quote

Licka once told me that many models aren't granted access to the forums by their studios



Some studios dont even let the models have access to their own profiles, and that is how you end up with girls from Russia being labeled "American Girls".

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thank you much for reply and your open words.
and many thanks to cyn too.
not all the room and models be the same, thanks good and i know not all the members be the same.

i can only defense in the same kind like cyn.

#1 not in my room
#2 not in my room, except nobody response too me. if i try to get some response off the guys with dance, talk, joke and teasing and never get any response and only see to be ignored .....
#3 i ban only for really good reasons. excessive demanding or insults
#4 for my understanding you only see the curtains if the model have pvt. good for the girls with endelss curtains
#5 sorry, lol. some days i go on with 15 cpm and still nobody response
#6 i don't know about. but i think my stream is good. not HD but i am sure its ok
#8 i never beg. not in real life and not here
#9 congrats for the models who have this purple rain. i don't know about because it never happens in my room. not before i make show, not inside party and not after. i see only silent rain
#10 from my point of view the chat looks like this: "Hello ....." -> no response, "how are you ?" -> no response, "how was your day ?" -> no response. "hey what we do now guys ? " -> no response or any any rude demand like "open boobs", "ok and what you want to do for me ?" -> no response a.s.o.
#11 i miss the whisper too. but the admin have remove it but we have email here for personal questions and VIP still can whisper

i am really sad about this all. i try to make every member to feel special and nobody, really nobody appreciate it.
It doesn't look like a chat site, much more only like a free tv show.
not only the models make a good time in the room, the members too. and to stay in a room with 50 or more silent people and talk nonstop against the wall don't make mood to go on again. pitty

ahhh and this topic here show's the same. actual 95 views but only 5 responses
really sad



Thanks for answering.
I hope that now you will see that many of us poorer members have baggage from how ruthless the site has become.
They have taken everything that is dear to us away. Increased rates far far above inflation. Gave us less and less.
I'm bitter. When not in the mood it is often better not to chat. So you see it is not you or any particular performer that has made us all silent. It is the "Game" has caused so much noise and distraction. It may be working for some members who enjoy the tipping bar room atmosphere. It is my assumption that many tippers are not in favor of whispering.
Did you know that we now have to pay for an advertisement in our face when we go private now? Does the site want to take the private option away from us also?
The cards are stacked against us. Please take note of Jelly's comments.
if I may suggest, keep chipping away at the stone, keep building loyalty, it takes a lot of investment in time and effort and you loyal fans will most likely reciprocate. At least you are trying.
Wich is another point I should of stressed, Loyalty. If you can keep a more or less REGULAR SCHEDULE. That will go a long way in helping us see that we can rely on you being here when we need you. Again it looks like models are shifting their times on in very irregular paterns. Makes me wonder if this is also planned by the site.
One final word, Is whispering so difficult to handle? With all the tools at your disposal, Would it be better to let us have to option of whispering with all its problems if it helps us get into private?



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Sadly LickU, those models that need grasp the wisdom your post contains, are also most likely the ones who never come to the forums or dont listen to feedback from members in their room.




COUCH!!! Where the hell have you been?? I've missed you! Quote