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Female Performer Chat: Why can a PAYING CUSTOMER Not be honest

Created by: becauseican

11/27/09 @ 12:22am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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It seems to amaze me every time. When someone post something on the forum that F4F doesn't want others to see, they want to delete it. It almost seems as if this site doesn't want to know the truth about some of the models and when you believe it's a waste sometimes, they just want to delete delete and delete what you say. They say they are making changes but never really care to listen to the PAYING CUSTOMER for changes that REALLY need to happen. OH WELL tells you how much they think of PAYING CUSTOMERS.

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Created by: bryant4u

11/27/09 @ 2:32am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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OO I DO BELEIVE THIS PERSON HAS A POINT CAUSE MINE GOT DELETED TODAY.

BY THE WAY ADMINS OF THE FORUM I HAVE NOTICED A DROP IN THE RUDENESS OF PEOPLE.

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Created by: candy-man

11/27/09 @ 3:05am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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hmm i wonder if all the cussin and swearing had anything to do with it getting deleted. not many people wanna read such trash

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Created by: lickau

11/27/09 @ 3:14am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: bryant4u

11/27/09 @ 3:52am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Im not gonna fight or argue with you... If it had to do with the fowl language then you shouldnt have read it I said it at the beginning... and also it must not be to bad when other models agreed with it at the end, and other people made it in nicer words... maybe if someone would open their eyes or step in to someone elses shoes... just because you think it may be trash doesnt mean it is to other people. thanks have a great day. and please feel free to comment on this cause i will read it and take everyones views into thought.

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Created by: lickau

11/27/09 @ 4:07am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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If it made 1 or more people treat a model better - that the post/posts did well :thumbsup

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Created by: candy-man

11/27/09 @ 5:02am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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well you missed my point i believe..no where in life do you get anywhere or most times get anyone to listen to what you are trying to say by cussin and swearing every other word. people are far more apt to listen to rational and coherent statements. and it might even help you keep a topic you want discused from being deleted completly..wasn't wanting to argue with you. like u said after it was stated in a civil manner people (including myself) agreed with the point you was trying to get across

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Created by: bryant4u

11/27/09 @ 5:25am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Ok... I get your point but normally they close the thread right, to where no one can add on to

it... They took it completely out... even after a "civil" comment was made. I know its not just

my thread its a lot of others. Again we pay for this... especially VIP's, at least 30$ a month.

I think its wrong (and im trying to be as clean as i can for this) to take a post off a forum.

There is more bs on the forums then there are actual topics that need to be addressed. And to be

completely honest (my opinion) is that this site has changed so much and through the year and a

half ive been here it seems that this site is caring less and less about there models, the way

they address issues and stuff just is always in a sucky and silent/secret matter, for ex the

thread (just an example) It seems as if they really dont give (pardon my french) damn about

their models, its just about what promotion are we gonna run today? etc. So, I feel that its

wrong that it takes someone like me to (again the french) piss someone off enough that they may

actually see something and do something about it. Also, I think maybe my language and

sensitivity on the subject, opened the eyes of some of those people who were begging,

freeloading, and causing tension.

Also thanks for opening to my eyes to the things that I need to work on and address.

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Created by: Miss Pandora

11/27/09 @ 2:18pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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No disrespect, but I'm not sure how you can say "this site doesn't care about the models", when...you're not a model.

Unless you've actually worked for the site, you don't really know what the admins here do or don't do on the model's behalf.

I've only been working here a few months, but I can tell you, many of the changes lately have been made to address model concerns and/or implement our ideas.

I can only speak for myself, but I've been pretty happy here. I don't feel exploited or that my concerns aren't addressed, or that I'm not listened to. Anytime I've had a complaint or a suggestion, I've always gotten a response back and many times, I've seen quick action on problems that could potentially hurt both models AND members.

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Created by: Bryanna Spanks

11/27/09 @ 2:45pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I have been here for almost a year, and I have seen many changes. When there were some that NO ONE liked, VS listened, and reversed those changes. There have been many changes that are for the models benefits. As the customer, you have no way of knowing about all the changes we see and benefit from.
Just because an issue is not take care of within an hour of it being made known, does not mean it is not taken care of. I have seen many issues and violations taken care of, in due time. You may think it takes to long, but eveyrthing has to be taken into consideration when any action is taken. Everything, and everyone.

VS can not make everyone happy, no matter what they do or don't do. But I think they make great efforts to do the best they can, and I think that should be acknowledged, instead of VS being brow-beaten.
If you think you can do better in this business, then go start your own site, and try managing it in a way where everyone is content. I doubt you can.
No-one can please everyone. THAT is a fact of life.
~Bryanna Spanks~

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Created by: candy-man

11/27/09 @ 2:48pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Miss Pandora I myself am glad to hear from a model making the statement you have...I have not met you yet but believe me it will not be long before I change this....I hope there are other members that have the same feeling.. :thumbsup

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Created by: candy-man

11/27/09 @ 4:19pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Cudos Bryanna Spanks..I would have mentioned you in same post as miss Pandora but your reply must have been posted during the time I was writing my last reply :winkwink

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Created by: Gena Gold

11/27/09 @ 8:05pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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The girls are very correct VS takes very very good care of us any problem I have had or question that I had to ask they answered very quickly....Bryant take a big breathe in and big breathe out...When i call the monitor to my room they are always there to help me...The promos are also to help us and for you guys to save money on credits. Good thing for all of us here. I Love working for this site....MUAH VS

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Created by: bryant4u

11/28/09 @ 3:18am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: Bryanna Spanks

11/28/09 @ 11:16am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Well. I understand all your view points. But the models that I am talking about arent here anymore because of those reasons. But thats fine, I unfortunately saw a model that was here longer then all of yall put together and she had to leave because of issues. It seems to me that yes they have listened to things but havent on others. No I havent been a model... recently i was think about it, and i decided not to because my favorite of all models left because a problem had never been taken care of which she reported plenty of times so... its whatever. Thanks for giving the other side of the fence since im not in your shoes.

Bryant,
A lot of the models that have left because of 'issues', tended to be very impatient when it came to those issues. As I said, any issue has to be looked into carefully, not just jumped on and given a quick fix. Others used the issues as an excuse to leave the site, because they were ready for a change in their lives, but didn't choose to be honest about it, and blame the site. I have watched what goes on since I have been here, but I normally don't say anything, till the last few months. I see and read a lot more than anyone realises, except for VS, because when I have concerns, I email or call them directly. Because of what I have experienced through the actions I have taken, if why I feel VS does do what they can, to make this a great site for all concerned.
Another thought for you think on.. Some of the models that left VS, because of "issues" tried to get customers from F4F to follow them. If where they are is much better than here, why did they try to do that? If a person is happy with they have, why try to take away from others? If I left this site, for another or for a stripclub, I would NOT come back to get customers. It would be MY choice to leave, which means I need to respect that I am leaving it all behind, not try to drag it with me, and cause problems for others in the process.
Also, I have seen every issue I have asked F4F to deal with, taken care of. EVERY ISSUE. Some would take up to a month, because sometimes, things have to be investigated thoroughly. But they have been all dealt with. I do not get emails that tell me it is dealt with every time though, so if I want to know, I pay attention, and see if the issue is still going on.

~Bryanna~

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Created by: bryant4u

11/28/09 @ 8:19pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: Bryanna Spanks

11/29/09 @ 11:14am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Thanks, I really dont have much to say. I still have some of my views about things, but you have definately changed many of my others. But I still dont get why they will close some posts or threads, and completely remove others. Just like LickaU said

"Hopefully it did

Few "freloaders" and "rude members" read the forums

If it made 1 or more people treat a model better - that the post/posts did well."

If he said that, then why would something that made a difference be taken off. It doesnt make sense to me at least.

Thanks to (in order of those who posted or responded) Becauseican, Candy-Man, LickaU,
Miss Pandora, Bryanna Spanks, and Gena Gold.

Many of you know me, I do come to your rooms, and I dont want you to think that I disrespect or think of any of you differently. I respect every single one of you, and think of you as the same as I have always seen you, and I appreciate you contributing. If you dont believe me, thats fine but I have learned in my past that it is nice to gather all information that you can, and to not always have one view point. (I used to be a debate officer in highschool.) Again thank you.

Some threads are 'killed' because they get to a point, where nothing good can come of it anymore, it will just cause more hurt feelings, all the way around. As for why they remove threads or comments, that is because there are rules to posting. If those rules are violated, they have the right to remove them. I have even asked for some threads to be killed, because I see the problems they are causing. If someone reads through an entire thread, that probably wouldn't happen. But not many people read through an entire thread, and fights start out.

As for few rude people reading the forums, they do. I know they do, because I have been being harassed over what I write in forums recently. Actually, not even over what I write, but because my name is showing up in the forums, and that I am standing up for what I feel is write. It sucks, but it will not make me chaneg how I feel. Only someone speaking intelligently could have that effect, possibly. Probably why I have written so much here, because I can tell you really are curious, not just trying to start problems. ~Bryanna Spanks~

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Created by: mydyingbride

11/29/09 @ 1:33pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Netherlands
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My thoughts about bad behavior on the forums.

There are some members that take Flirt4Free/models way way way and way too serious... Thats the main reason that takes all the fun away from this forum.

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Created by: bryant4u

11/30/09 @ 4:10pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: Texas, USA
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Some threads are 'killed' because they get to a point, where nothing good can come of it anymore, it will just cause more hurt feelings, all the way around. As for why they remove threads or comments, that is because there are rules to posting. If those rules are violated, they have the right to remove them. I have even asked for some threads to be killed, because I see the problems they are causing. If someone reads through an entire thread, that probably wouldn't happen. But not many people read through an entire thread, and fights start out.

As for few rude people reading the forums, they do. I know they do, because I have been being harassed over what I write in forums recently. Actually, not even over what I write, but because my name is showing up in the forums, and that I am standing up for what I feel is write. It sucks, but it will not make me chaneg how I feel. Only someone speaking intelligently could have that effect, possibly. Probably why I have written so much here, because I can tell you really are curious, not just trying to start problems. ~Bryanna Spanks~

Thanks Bryanna I do appreciate it very much.

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