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Created by: Marshal X

11/12/10 @ 8:33pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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i did not read all of this all i got to say is i never fake it. if im not up to the final shot ill let u know lol. and normally i know before i log on if im going to be able to perform or not lol. so hope to see some of yall around my room hehe

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Created by: zfanofall

11/29/10 @ 12:09pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I always ask the model before the private and after the private begins if he is going to cum. The model says yes and then gives fake cum. That is a dishonest practice that this site should not tolerate, no matter what the excuse from the model. If a model has already cum 2-3 times and cannot cum again, he should let the members know that up front. That is yet another problem - the models who say yes they can cum and then don't fulfill their promise. Another dishonest practice that should not be tolerated by this site.

I agree all a model has to do is let me know and then I will try again another day!

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Created by: ronnie-uk

6/16/11 @ 7:11pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I have just seen a new model with a cum shot that doesn't look real to me. It looks as if he gets some off-screen assistance. I won't mention his name here just in case I am wrong. If I am right, I think it should be pointed out, as I don't think it is good for the site.

The VOD can be seen by VIP members for the next 5 days in the free daily VOD selection. You should watch from about 11:00 onwards. The link is:

http://www.flirt4free.com/vip/members/daily-vod.php?a=view&recording_id=4165223

Interested to see if anyone agrees with me about the VOD. Also might be interesting to have some new comments on the question of fake cum-shots, as this is rather an old thread. (I didn't want to start yet another one)

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Created by: asti

6/16/11 @ 8:06pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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No one can be expected to produce all day long in each private. That being said if a customer requests it and the model can't perform they should be upfront regarding their current ability. I understand models fear losing potential privates but I think the good ones will say.
There is a performer who I have seen in the daily vod's and everytime he cums his left arm is always raised and out of frame. I only view these shows now to see there is faking. The resulting shot always looks like hand lotion with easy clean up. There are other indicators suggesting faking but I'll leave it at that. Who knows maybe he just likes keeping that arm raised but it seems suspect.

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Created by: Basil Thompson

6/16/11 @ 8:13pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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A lot of customers are unreasonable in that they think they can snatch you private for 4 minutes to watch you squirt. (Probably not).

For those like me who tend to 'clean up' by eating some, I'd hate to swallow lotion. :helpme

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Created by: ronnie-uk

6/16/11 @ 8:40pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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For those like me who tend to 'clean up' by eating some, I'd hate to swallow lotion. :helpme

Good point, Basil. Models are quite often asked to 'clean up'. There was a suspiciously large instant amount of whatever it was in this particular VOD. Asti is in a position to check it out, and I would be interested to know what he thinks. I am 95% sure the cum-shot is a fake. Concerned to hear from Asti that there might be others still around.

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Created by: ourjeffie

6/16/11 @ 9:58pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Interested to see if anyone agrees with me about the VOD.

It looks fake to me Ronnie, but so what? If the member who paid for the show was happy I guess that's all that really matters. If that member wasn't happy he had the right to complain. If the model consistently fakes his cumshots he won't last long

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Created by: ronnie-uk

6/16/11 @ 10:20pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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It looks fake to me Ronnie, but so what? If the member who paid for the show was happy I guess that's all that really matters. If that member wasn't happy he had the right to complain. If the model consistently fakes his cumshots he won't last long

It is the first time I have seen what looks like a faked cum shot, ourjeffie. I noticed back in 2007 here you were suggesting a "zero tolerance" line on cheating, and that is probably my initial reaction. No doubt you are now more relaxed about it, with experience, which I respect.

I think the member who paid for the show a few days ago was happy, as he let the show carry on for another 15 minutes. It seems likely the same model will be tempted to do this again with his next customer. Pity. Lets hope he doesn't last long, as you suggest.

Question: should someone add an honest review to the VOD, which might also be a warning to any new customer? The most neutral review, which might get accepted, would be "This VOD has been discussed in the topic The Fake Out in the Gay forum"

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Created by: Cupidonn

6/17/11 @ 8:05am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Anyone else had this happen??
After spending almost $100 for a private I get really pissed off when a model fakes the cum shot, and even more so when they deny it. With faster and faster connections it is REALLY EASY to see the difference between the real thing and the fake out and I have a very fast connection.
Cum does not fall from above, the most common mode of faking us out... hold the squeeze bottle/tube of "cum" above and out of the cam frame and at the "moment of truth" squeeze it and hope it falls in an appropriate area and that the actual fall is missed by the client because of frame speed/refresh rate etc. Each and every shot can be a "massive" load, and therein should lie your first clue to being duped. It really "blows the moment" so to speak and at these prices I don't expect cheap fakes. In some studios, a second "helper" is even employed to do the squirt. Wonder what their "cut" is?
I guess faking it "cums" with the territory but if they aren't up to the task, they should be on the $1.99 sites. :mad

i guess this models use many sites as the others. About fake... I know more then 100 models, but noboddy who imitaste cumshoot.
Model enjoy to cum. I guess many members will be agree with me.

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Created by: chinmusic

6/17/11 @ 8:59am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I know more then 100 models.

Really? In person? Lucky you, and lucky them, too.

If you ever throw a party, please invite me..hehe

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Created by: Basil Thompson

6/17/11 @ 10:07am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Oh, *everybody's* coming.

Nyuk nyuk. :smoking

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Created by: Jack Shaft

6/17/11 @ 1:08pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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Hmm ...that would be very aggrivating and I agree with you. I'm new so I just do the real deal! (Jackshaft)

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Created by: ourjeffie

6/17/11 @ 1:29pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Question: should someone add an honest review to the VOD, which might also be a warning to any new customer?

I don't believe so Ronnie, I think it's a bit of a storm in a teacup. As I said, if the model consistently fakes his cumshots he won't last long

LOL and by reviving this thread you've got guys responding to a 4 year old post :orglaugh

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Created by: ronnie-uk

6/17/11 @ 3:39pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I don't believe so Ronnie, I think it's a bit of a storm in a teacup. As I said, if the model consistently fakes his cumshots he won't last long

I hear what you say, ourjeffie, and we have just had our fill of a certain person (using about 6 different names) raising individual cases and expecting the whole world to be interested. I thought about that before posting, but thought that the opportunity for VIP members to actually see a fake cum-shot VOD for free during this limited 5-day period made it worth raising. An opportunity to actually see firm evidence. The daily VOD link once again (with relevant action at 11:00 onwards) is:

http://www.flirt4free.com/vip/members/daily-vod.php?a=view&recording_id=4165223

I am now convinced that Martin Metal's cum-shot is fake, staged with help from someone off-camera. I would hate to pay to watch this VOD and find this fake cum-shot. I do like to read and write VOD reviews so, as suggested earlier, I will post the review: "See the discussion about this VOD in the Gay forum topic: The Fake Out". I can't see any harm in doing that, and then letting events take their course as you suggest.

LOL and by reviving this thread you've got guys responding to a 4 year old post :orglaugh

Yes - someone read the first post, skipped the next 47 and replied. Busy lives that we all lead

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Created by: asti

6/17/11 @ 5:25pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Ronnie, it is fake. There are several motions by the performer pointing toward this decision. On one hand I agree with ourjeffie, that being, if the original customer was happy then all is good also if the performer fakes all the time they will be gone soon. However, on the other hand I have been on the bad end of a fake show. I didn't catch on though during the show itself but only afterward when I rewatched the show. I was diappointed for the fake but more so for not catching it the first time. (must have been busy...typing :orglaugh

). Anyway, that performer is gone now and I never returned to their room.

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Created by: ronnie-uk

6/17/11 @ 6:31pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Thanks Asti. Pleased that you checked it out. Grateful for the confirmation.

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Created by: sappp

6/17/11 @ 6:39pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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I've read the previous posts, I agree with the comments made, must be very annoying if having agreed with someone for X, you get Y. I think, as has been said, it's now very easy to spot a fake, however if looking at a VOD I would not jump to conclusions.

In my privates, I'm not too bothered if model comes or not, it's not the big point for me (though understand it is for others). I have actually asked for fake come before, it takes pressure off model (and in fact delighted the model I was seeing and for me the smile and look of delighted surprise I got was worth many come shots) after all this is fantasy, we make of it what we will.

However if a promise is made, much better to admit, "sorry could not arrive at station" rather than lie.

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Created by: Basil Thompson

6/17/11 @ 8:03pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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I don't believe so Ronnie, I think it's a bit of a storm in a teacup. As I said, if the model consistently fakes his cumshots he won't last long

LOL and by reviving this thread you've got guys responding to a 4 year old post :orglaugh

If Ronnie were badgering or berating a model I would be inclined to agree, but he's just making conversation about expectations and as a model I'm very concerned with the expectations guys have for us.

As a brand new model I wasn't sure if (when unable to dock the boat) I was supposed to fake it or just be upfront about it. Obviously, different models are of different opinions. It's threads like this that let me know being upfront about the expectations is the better way to go. So I try to explain that 10-ish minutes or more in private is what it will take to reach full liftoff, and 4-5 minute shows probably not so much.

It's okay to necropost if the information is useful, and I (personally) find Ronnie and Atsi's opinions helpful. There may be other new models who do too. We are, after all, just trying to provide a better experience for our guys and anything that helps me do that is good to go. :thumbsup

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Created by: ophelias_rue

6/18/11 @ 4:54pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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i prefer my fake cum shots done with either mustard or grape jelly... oh wait (FOOD.CHAT.BAN)

oh oh oh.. and when i've got my strapon and am workin workin workin.. and then pull out.. i DO spit on her back just to let her know how good it was for me...

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Created by: ronnie-uk

6/21/11 @ 2:05pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: London, UK
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I was thinking that my comments here about a model faking a cum shot might sound a bit unsympathetic. However, this particular model has only done 2 private shows on this site. He does not appear to have special circumstances to justify what he did.

I am aware of the pressure that models are under to deliver a cum shot in show after show. This must be particularly difficult for the top models who take part in competitions to be #1. One of the top models recently told me he had to cum 11 times in one day.

When I ask if a model will be able to do a cum shot in a certain time I will always accept "I will try" or "I will do my best". Sometimes the model will suggest a better time (or even date). There are many hot shows, including those with toys, that don't have a cum shot. And, as I said in another topic, I rather like soft cocks anyway.

I will never complain if a model tries and is unable to do a cum shot. However, I would be annoyed if a model ever did a fake cum shot. So far all the models I have seen in private and party chat have given lovely shows. Thanks all round. :drinkup

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