I�ve noticed something sad lately- disrespectful models and disrespectful users. I haven�t personally been on either end of this, but I have my two cents.

First of all, on the topic of lurkers. Flirt4Free works because you can FLIRT 4 FREE. Just like others take notice of the guy or girl in the bar getting all the attention, your fans create frenzy in your room- whether or not they spend any money on you. And that frenzy gets other users excited and the ones who can spend the money are drawn to do so. I hate to use the word �use� here- but for lack of a better word, a good model knows how to use his or her lurkers to create an environment in their room that gets everyone excited about the model. You, the models, need that excitement. Otherwise you�re just going to have a boring room that people aren�t going to stick around in. Some �sure things� may wander in and spend some money on you, maybe a lot of money, but you�re not attracting anyone. Don�t you notice that new people stop in your room briefly, try to make conversation and then take off? I�m not saying you should spend all your time talking to lurkers or not make it clear to your room that you�re there to make money, but it�s about respect.

That�s right- RESPECT. The biggest aphrodisiac on the planet. I like you. You like me. OK, things are in order- let�s have some fun and spend some money. Connect with every person who enters your room. You want them to remember that you are human beings, right? Then treat US like human beings too. I wonder if a couple of you have any real friends off cam with the way you treat people.

Don't get me wrong, I�m not saying anything bad about the site- overall, I love Flirt4Free. I�ve stuck around here for about a decade and I�m not going anywhere. But, there are always a few bad apples in every bunch. The lesser models are a small, but real, part of the site. There are some really great models that really treat everyone who enters their room with respect: Izzi, Paul Atreides, Jake Trenton, and Cirino, off the top of my head.

People who come to Flirt4Free are looking for more than �interactive porn�- we�re looking for real human connections. Online friends that we can talk to AND have a lot of sexy fun with. We want to see ALL of you- not just your body. Putting up a wall and saying you�re only here for sex and money is extremely limiting to what users you�re going to attract. Make some friends and treat your room like a party, not a queue.

And just one last thing about lurkers- especially the ones who have made lots of friends on the site, and now that Twitter is a part of the site, people listen to them� people who would spend money on you. Whether or not THEY spend the money, they really do affect how other users see you. They are here, flirting for free, because this is FLIRT 4 FREE. Stop treating them like they don�t belong here.

That�s the way I see it. Maybe I�m wrong. But negativity is a huge turn off, don�t you agree?
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...To be perfectly honest with you, I am not really sure what it is that you are trying to say.

...By the way, there are a whole lot more models who treat their guests with respect than the few that you mentioned. I won't mention them because I know that I would be leaving some out and I would not want to offend any of them. Quote

...To be perfectly honest with you, I am not really sure what it is that you are trying to say.

...By the way, there are a whole lot more models who treat their guests with respect than the few that you mentioned. I won't mention them because I know that I would be leaving some out and I would not want to offend any of them.


Absolutely. There are far more good models than not. But there are models here lately that have been attacking other models in their rooms and instigating users to attack other users. Just adding for clarification. What I'm really focusing on here is the positive aspect. That there are tons of great models and even the good models can use a little more respect to heighten the user experience here.

And again, for clarity- when I say models- and don't give any other specifics... I mean one or two that have gotten out of hand. They are isolated incidents, but it brings up something I personally think the whole site could benefit from.

And as far as leaving anyone out- those are just the models that I talk to and know for their great user experience. My hope is that other models will come on this thread and voice their respect for their friends and new users on the site.
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...To be perfectly honest with you, I am not really sure what it is that you are trying to say.

...By the way, there are a whole lot more models who treat their guests with respect than the few that you mentioned. I won't mention them because I know that I would be leaving some out and I would not want to offend any of them.


Classy as always Phil. Stay a gentleman,
xoxo
-Sammy-
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I�ve noticed something sad lately- disrespectful models and disrespectful users. I haven�t personally been on either end of this, but I have my two cents.

First of all, on the topic of lurkers. Flirt4Free works because you can FLIRT 4 FREE. Just like others take notice of the guy or girl in the bar getting all the attention, your fans create frenzy in your room- whether or not they spend any money on you. And that frenzy gets other users excited and the ones who can spend the money are drawn to do so. I hate to use the word �use� here- but for lack of a better word, a good model knows how to use his or her lurkers to create an environment in their room that gets everyone excited about the model. You, the models, need that excitement. Otherwise you�re just going to have a boring room that people aren�t going to stick around in. Some �sure things� may wander in and spend some money on you, maybe a lot of money, but you�re not attracting anyone. Don�t you notice that new people stop in your room briefly, try to make conversation and then take off? I�m not saying you should spend all your time talking to lurkers or not make it clear to your room that you�re there to make money, but it�s about respect.

That�s right- RESPECT. The biggest aphrodisiac on the planet. I like you. You like me. OK, things are in order- let�s have some fun and spend some money. Connect with every person who enters your room. You want them to remember that you are human beings, right? Then treat US like human beings too. I wonder if a couple of you have any real friends off cam with the way you treat people.

Don't get me wrong, I�m not saying anything bad about the site- overall, I love Flirt4Free. I�ve stuck around here for about a decade and I�m not going anywhere. But, there are always a few bad apples in every bunch. The lesser models are a small, but real, part of the site. There are some really great models that really treat everyone who enters their room with respect: Izzi, Paul Atreides, Jake Trenton, and Cirino, off the top of my head.

People who come to Flirt4Free are looking for more than �interactive porn�- we�re looking for real human connections. Online friends that we can talk to AND have a lot of sexy fun with. We want to see ALL of you- not just your body. Putting up a wall and saying you�re only here for sex and money is extremely limiting to what users you�re going to attract. Make some friends and treat your room like a party, not a queue.

And just one last thing about lurkers- especially the ones who have made lots of friends on the site, and now that Twitter is a part of the site, people listen to them� people who would spend money on you. Whether or not THEY spend the money, they really do affect how other users see you. They are here, flirting for free, because this is FLIRT 4 FREE. Stop treating them like they don�t belong here.

That�s the way I see it. Maybe I�m wrong. But negativity is a huge turn off, don�t you agree?



very eloquently said
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Tranquil,

I have never been on the receiving end of a negative or disrespectful model experience in the many years that I have been a member (unless of course I have asked the model to be disrespectful to me - entirely different situation).

Phil has set the example here which I intend to follow - not naming all the great experiences I have had. But I would remind you Tranquil that the easiest way for you to solve the problem is not to visit the disrespectful model/s to which you refer. If people visit them and are of the same opinion as you they will simply switch off - and the model will fast learn that their behaviour is inappropriate.

I recall reading a post, Phil you may be able to help out here that referred to the greys of today as the customers of tomorrow - equally a valid point and great models convert them. So Tranquil. I agree with some of your post, disagree with parts but overall - exercise your right to switch off if you are dissatisfied.

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Very true, Joe. I didn't want to focus on the negative things that inspired this, but the problem wasn't them in their own room- it was that they were in other models' rooms and following users around from room to room to harass them, and using proxies to appear as users from multiple countries, but mentioning people's full names each time. It was so over the top that I really felt something needed to be said. As you can see- I've never really bothered with the forums on this site for as long as I've been here, until now. And like I said, I thought it brought up a fair positive topic for the entire site and not just the negative models. In hind site, should have just cut to the positive and not used comparisons to the negative, as few people will have seen this negativity as it unfolded. It wasn't actually important to the message I was trying to set up. Really, I just wanted to talk about the positive, and more lucrative, alternative to certain model's and user's bad behavior. And thank you, Bill- I was starting to wonder if my sleep deprived state made this make more sense in my head than it did to anyone else Quote

...To be perfectly honest with you, I am not really sure what it is that you are trying to say.



That was my initial reaction too, Phil, but I have now seen the follow-up posts.

I think that respect is a basic requirement in the chat rooms and the forums. Although people use the words "virtual" and "fantasy" to describe the experience here, this site is primarily about real people interacting with real people in real time at a very personal level. We should show the same respect that we would in a face-to-face experience.

So I think that respect is basic, but I don't think it is the biggest turn-on. A number of things turn me on more:

- seduction (discussed here in a recently revived topic)

- flirting (as per the name of this site)

- intuition (when a model seems to know what is in your mind before you even ask)

- bio pics ( - a great new forum topic if we could show the pics too)

- confidence (love to see so many models here who are really confident in their own bodies and sexuality)

- cheekiness (after my emoticons topic last year, a model said "you don't like these do you?" and filled the screen with large emoticons! Loved it, and have been a fan every since)

- fairness ("you tipped me in Party but didn't get a show - so I can do a special private if you like")

- honesty ("I just did a cum shot - but I will be here for a couple of hours if you want a private show later")

- and more....
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For myself respect is a prime turn on, but in a figurative rather than literal (carnal) sense. I value respect tremendously, but it almost never gets my dick hard. Quote

Respect? Well, while we are on the subject .. How about the models put down the cell phones? It is bad enough that they ignore members and talk or text while in free chat but, even worse when they take a call during a private show This has happened to me twice in the past month. When I protested the interruption, my protests were ignored. The models, one from the US and one from Europe, did not seem to think it was a big deal. They did not understand why I thought their actions were very rude. (one responded, "WTF? you can still see my dick.") Needless to say, I ended the private both times and will not re-visit those rooms again.

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Respect? Well, while we are on the subject .. How about the models put down the cell phones? It is bad enough that they ignore members and talk or text while in free chat but, even worse when they take a call during a private show This has happened to me twice in the past month. When I protested the interruption, my protests were ignored. The models, one from the US and one from Europe, did not seem to think it was a big deal. They did not understand why I thought their actions were very rude. (one responded, "WTF? you can still see my dick.") Needless to say, I ended the private both times and will not re-visit those rooms again.





"WTF? you can still see my dick" Really? WOW...you have my sympathy. That's one for the books. With one exception, in my experiences in private, models have always bent over backwards to accommodate. Quote

Respect? Well, while we are on the subject .. How about the models put down the cell phones? It is bad enough that they ignore members and talk or text while in free chat but, even worse when they take a call during a private show This has happened to me twice in the past month. When I protested the interruption, my protests were ignored. The models, one from the US and one from Europe, did not seem to think it was a big deal. They did not understand why I thought their actions were very rude. (one responded, "WTF? you can still see my dick.") Needless to say, I ended the private both times and will not re-visit those rooms again.


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Respect? Well, while we are on the subject .. How about the models put down the cell phones? It is bad enough that they ignore members and talk or text while in free chat but, even worse when they take a call during a private show This has happened to me twice in the past month. When I protested the interruption, my protests were ignored. The models, one from the US and one from Europe, did not seem to think it was a big deal. They did not understand why I thought their actions were very rude. (one responded, "WTF? you can still see my dick.") Needless to say, I ended the private both times and will not re-visit those rooms again.





Yeah that is a sad display of disrespect on their part, I am sorry you had to go through that... personally if I was to want to be entertained by a private show I think that the model picking up the phone is the surest way to a limp dick. Sadly there are some (not all) models who do not understand common courtesy. I think we all try to accomodate but in the end, there are a few bad apples in there that make us look like real asses.
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Tranquil, you, (just to be clear, IN GENERAL, not personally you, becouse i don't know any about you) can't blame a model if his room is silent but you are the first one not to say hi as you join in, nor try to speak with him.
What should a guy do to "entertain" you? talk to himself like an insane person?
Try to be nice to every guy here and u'll see that u will enjoy a lot of rooms.
Of course if u say hi and the reply is "PVT PVT PVT", then i'm on your side, leave the model immediately, that is as annoying for members as it is "show cock" said in open chat to any model.

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Tranquil, you, (just to be clear, IN GENERAL, not personally you, becouse i don't know any about you) can't blame a model if his room is silent but you are the first one not to say hi as you join in, nor try to speak with him.
What should a guy do to "entertain" you? talk to himself like an insane person?
Try to be nice to every guy here and u'll see that u will enjoy a lot of rooms.
Of course if u say hi and the reply is "PVT PVT PVT", then i'm on your side, leave the model immediately, that is as annoying for members as it is "show cock" said in open chat to any model.

Good Luck


Exactly! That "PVT PVT PVT" is the model equivalent of "show cock". And I do enjoy a lot of rooms... once upon a time, you and I did talk and you were nice and respectful. It's been a long time, I should visit again soon. And this definitely is a two-way street, just like real life- you can't expect anyone to talk to you if you're not talking to anyone. It's just when you try to talk to someone and get nothing really, you can't connect on a personal level- which I think is the first step to build towards spending money on a model.

And, sorry my original post was so rambling and unfocused, guys- I hadn't slept in 2 days lol
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... once upon a time, you and I did talk and you were nice and respectful. It's been a long time..




ohh now i feel sorry that i forgot we talked in past, my brain is a mess lately i forget all sort of things Quote

ohh now i feel sorry that i forgot we talked in past, my brain is a mess lately i forget all sort of things


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Quite an elaborate topic-starter.

In my oppinion it boils down to this: If you don`t feel comfortable, or treated not adaequate just leave the room and don`t return. Carpe diem...time`s too precious to waste.

If a few (with emphasis on few) models don`t know the rules of respect, they will quite quick learn the terms of the trade here.

Greetz Julian
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Respect? Well, while we are on the subject .. How about the models put down the cell phones? It is bad enough that they ignore members and talk or text while in free chat but, even worse when they take a call during a private show This has happened to me twice in the past month. When I protested the interruption, my protests were ignored. The models, one from the US and one from Europe, did not seem to think it was a big deal. They did not understand why I thought their actions were very rude. (one responded, "WTF? you can still see my dick.") Needless to say, I ended the private both times and will not re-visit those rooms again.




Recently I tried five times to request a private from a duo team, explicitly asked to go private five times! I was ignored because they were both on their mobiles and ignoring their customers. I emailed them to let them know and I was told, "let's set something up, when?" Why would I even consider doing that? Models should NOT be on their phones when people are in their room and chatting to them. If no one is chatting then, maybe, again I say maybe it might be OK, but when you have customers waiting, it's rude and bad business.

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Now, since this topic got a bumb today, and after re-reading my own thread (post #18), I think it�s all right to remind, that behaviour is a 2-way-street.

So here is a related topic for the other participant of the game:

http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=14375&num_posts=18

and of course the 20-Point-Member Guide.




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