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Created by: manner321

12/30/12 @ 8:27pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: louisphillippe

12/30/12 @ 11:14pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Did you think a multi millions Euros enterprise would be here
for any other purpose than making tons of money ?
I,for one,never would spend a cent in a "voyeur" show without
knowing what's going on.
Why?
Because it takes a while to connect to the model's room
while the meter is running,many times I'd need to refresh and
come back "in".
After I did with the meter already running, it took me a couple
of minutes to properly disconnect and I often ended up paying
18 or more credits for viewing NOTHING but a mute typing show.
:thumbsup

I agree with you,little or no benefits are left
for members except to pay through their noses.
I think soon they'll demand a fee for logging in or a minimum
credits spent per month to remain a member in good standing or
you could be graciously kicked out.
:evil

( I hope I'm not giving F4F any bright ideas...)
But with all the competition ( many owned by F4F itself ) it has
become a "cut throat monopoly to skin alive the customers and
screw the models" type of a deal...

What do you suggest we could do about it??
I'm all out of ideas...

Best wishes and HAPPY NEW YEAR !!

just my :twocents

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Created by: manner321

1/1/13 @ 6:32pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: louisphillippe

1/2/13 @ 1:38am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Created by: alberich

1/2/13 @ 4:41am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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This site is really expensive. F4F recently took away the "curtain" peek to encourage members to pay to see what's going on. They run these rediculous speicals saving 5% off credits. They do little for their members. They are about money...bottom line...and that is all.

the taking away of the preview was discussed in many threads - I for myself love it - less peepers makes my shows more PRIVATE.
And about the money - it is business - and money is also the reasons models are here.

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Created by: Cooper C

1/2/13 @ 1:12pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00

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the taking away of the preview was discussed in many threads - I for myself love it - less peepers makes my shows more PRIVATE.
And about the money - it is business - and money is also the reasons models are here.

Bingo. Privates should be just that, private.

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Created by: louisphillippe

1/3/13 @ 3:21pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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And the reason was???
It would be very nice if we are told in a
private email where we committed insult or
harm bad enough to be censored so we don't
do it again....
I only made comments we members and models
all know and chat about.

:bowdown

MEA CULPA F4F. :bowdown

Just my

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Created by: bisporti23

1/3/13 @ 4:24pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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MEA CULPA F4F. :bowdown

Louis-Philippe, since when do kings apologize (I assume the nick was inspired by the french 19th century one)?

Even more so, since your threads are quite a treat.

It has happened to all of us one time or other.

Empirics show that the junior administrator they put on duty as forum-censor can be occasionally quite a bit overeager.

Bisport

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Created by: louisphillippe

1/3/13 @ 9:01pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Thanks for your kind words,keep the coming!!!.... :orglaugh

You are right about the censorship,but even after
so many years been a member I still can't get use to it.
Overeager???
More like trigger happy...
N'est pas mon ami..?
Warmest regards:
Louis P.

My :twocents

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Created by: manner321

1/4/13 @ 6:15pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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They censor anything they deem as bad press. This is not really a forum to express real feelings becasue F4F doesn't give a hoot about what we feel as customers.....there is one thing they are interested in and that is money!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Created by: louisphillippe

1/5/13 @ 1:19am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Bingo. Privates should be just that, private.

/thread

:orglaugh

BINGO!!!
There are no models without customers.
As a member for the last almost 7 years
you won't see me using that "service" as a
"voyeur" blindly....
That will affect your revenues because in
the model's case every cent counts.
Remember "peeps" are the people you
depend on to make a living weather in
PRIVATES or voyeur.
When the customers suffers the model pay for it.
I'm sure you'll have complete privacy that way,
but no money coming from those pesky "peeps".
:evil

Cheers and the best of luck!!!

My :twocents

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Created by: louisphillippe

1/5/13 @ 1:31am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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There isn't such thing as bad press.
The bad thing is when no one talks about
you and they forget how to spell your name.

My :twocents

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Created by: imacumluvr

1/5/13 @ 2:03am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Cheers and the best of luck!!!

My :twocents

You are exactly right Louis Phillippe. To the models who think it's a good idea .. Be careful what you ask for - you may regret it.

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Created by: louisphillippe

1/5/13 @ 6:23pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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You are exactly right Louis Phillippe. To the models who think it's a good idea .. Be careful what you ask for - you may regret it.

You are exactly right Louis Phillippe. To the models who think it's a good idea .. Be careful what you ask for - you may regret it.

:angel

I always thought imacumlover,that models
and customers were on the same boat.
The more benefits clients have the more money the
model makes.
Sadly,things have changed tremendously.

"Too much of a good thing makes a desert"...
XI Century Arab proverb referring to sun light. ;-)

Just :twocents

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Created by: threshold

1/6/13 @ 9:35am (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Cheers and the best of luck!!!

My :twocents

I agree. Since they took out the curtain, I didn't realize until now how much money I have spent on this site in the past, which now I have saved, since I refuse to go to a multi-user show without knowing what's already going on in the show. Very bad move and I hope they will realize this. And yes, we the "peeps" are your paying customers. Sadly to this misinformed naive model, he will realize that he should be careful what he asks for.

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Created by: ronnie-uk

1/6/13 @ 1:12pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
Location: London, UK
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Sadly to this misinformed naive model, he will realize that he should be careful what he asks for.

To be fair, the model was simply agreeing with an experienced Forum Veteran (5,677 posts) :winkwink

I am always pleased to see the views of models as well as members on the topics here...

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Created by: alberich

1/6/13 @ 2:45pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Sadly to this misinformed naive model, he will realize that he should be careful what he asks for.

Don't you think the business part should be models concern not yours ?
You can start a private show anytime you want.

Once more - I said my opinion, I do pvts for my amusement - not for others. Am even old enough to ask and start my own show - its soooo easy: even the multi button works when curtain is open.

Most of female top performers have blocked their vods - not for not knowing how to block or unblock the vods - it is a bit of privacy for them. And as I stated before: taking away the preview doesn't prevent others to peek in - but less members will do it. That makes my shows more private for me.
So once more : I love it that they took the preview away - and I have no idea why it does harm you that the whole room can't spy in YOUR shows.
Concerning saving the money from started multi / voyeur: why don't you use that to get your own fantasies fulfilled ?

Ronnie: Numbers of posts in forum should and shall never be a criterion for importance of a reply. It is and was my opinion he shared - and it has same importance if he would have agreed to any statement of any newbie - or only gave his own statement.

Everybody has his own opinion - and as long as it doesn't hurt others in any way, no opinion should be denigrated only because someone disagrees

BTW: 5678 posts now :p

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Created by: asti

1/6/13 @ 2:50pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Hey, cut Cooper some slack. If he wants private shows more exclusive I want to hear that opinion and welcome it. I like to hear from models in the forums other than the usual "come to my room, why don't you come to my room" stuff. Members do not have to agree with everything a model says but when you wonder why more models don't enter discussions in the forums it could be from being shot down. Just an opinion.

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Created by: alberich

1/6/13 @ 2:52pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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.... Members do not have to agree with everything a model says but when you wonder why more models don't enter discussions in the forums it could be from being shot down. Just an opinion.

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Created by: asti

1/6/13 @ 2:57pm (EDT) | UTC - 4:00
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Numbers of posts in forum should and shall never be a criterion for importance of a reply. It is and was my opinion he shared - and it has same importance if he would have agreed to any statement of any newbie - or only gave his own statement.

Thank you, Alberich. I agree and have often said post count should not be the measure for relevance.

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