I get so PISSED off when I see a model having to deal with some real dickhead who come into a chat room and cause major drama. Insulting a model who is trying to do the best he can is just too much.
Does anyone know where one can go to file a complaint with the site. I would like to mention the member's name, but respect his right to be a dickhead.
Respect for a model should be very important. Members can leave a chat room if they don't like what is going on however models cannot do this.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
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I get so PISSED off when I see a model having to deal with some real dickhead who come into a chat room and cause major drama. Insulting a model who is trying to do the best he can is just too much.
Does anyone know where one can go to file a complaint with the site. I would like to mention the member's name, but respect his right to be a dickhead.
Respect for a model should be very important. Members can leave a chat room if they don't like what is going on however models cannot do this.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Thank you.


gofish, I would suggest the best course of action would be to contact customer service. Keep in mind, though, that the models have several options they can use to deal with rude visitors. If the visitor is a guest user, the model can silence all the grey users in the room. Now models can also silence basic chat. If the rude member is a premium member or VIP, the model can silence him for a few minutes, temporarily ban him, or enact a permanent ban (I think these are the current options, they may have changed).

Experienced models usually have no difficulty putting rude members in their place, but newer models may not know about these options. Members who have been around can help by standing up for the model, and inform the model of what they are able to do, as well as contact customer service. Quote

gofish, I would suggest the best course of action would be to contact customer service. Keep in mind, though, that the models have several options they can use to deal with rude visitors. If the visitor is a guest user, the model can silence all the grey users in the room. Now models can also silence basic chat. If the rude member is a premium member or VIP, the model can silence him for a few minutes, temporarily ban him, or enact a permanent ban (I think these are the current options, they may have changed).

Experienced models usually have no difficulty putting rude members in their place, but newer models may not know about these options. Members who have been around can help by standing up for the model, and inform the model of what they are able to do, as well as contact customer service.


zyxwv098 thanks for the feedback there. The model in question is a very nice guy & sort of hoped the member would get tired and move on. He was putting on a very brave face with all the drama and did ban one member, but in the process a member who just entered the room ended up getting banned in the process. Purely an accident, but something models generally don't wish to do.


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zyxwv098 thanks for the feedback there. The model in question is a very nice guy & sort of hoped the member would get tired and move on. He was putting on a very brave face with all the drama and did ban one member, but in the process a member who just entered the room ended up getting banned in the process. Purely an accident, but something models generally don't wish to do.



There's a time to be nice and a time to say, "enough is enough." After a certain point, the rude member makes the atmosphere in the chat room toxic and negative, and that's going to ruin the experience for everyone. I'd suggest three strikes: warning, temporarily silenced, then ban. Quote

I'd suggest three strikes: warning, temporarily silenced, then ban.



That sounds to me like the perfect answer, zyxwv098 Quote

gofish my friend, the models are smart and can do anything from ban them to tell the other models to be the look out for the member in question, ask their studio ban that member or ask F4F ban that member. But I know what you are coming from my friend, if a model is harassing by a member, as a member, you can ask that member to stop it because we all are here for the enjoyment of very good looking guys front of us. Quote

Searched 'dick head' on Urbany Dictionary, says investment banker.... does this help? Quote

Searched 'dick head' on Urbany Dictionary, says investment banker.... does this help?



mike ross? :-O Quote

gofish my friend, the models are smart and can do anything from ban them to tell the other models to be the look out for the member in question, ask their studio ban that member or ask F4F ban that member. But I know what you are coming from my friend, if a model is harassing by a member, as a member, you can ask that member to stop it because we all are here for the enjoyment of very good looking guys front of us.

t.bird that was one very wonderful response. Think members are on the site purely to have a good time one way or another ...just take one viewer to put a damper on thing. Thanks for responding to this posting.



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I'd like to remind you that its still the models room. I for example dont just shut up when the model is having an attitude towards me, oh hell i didn't join this site and buy credits just to be disrespected. If the member is really getting out of the line then its the model's choice what action he wants to do and if he doesn't mind then thats his choice and must maintain that way because like i said IT WAS HIS ROOM. I give respect for every member here as i am one so even if they are having some issues with the model I just dont go side on the model because its them who is in control so i just let the both parties settle their argument in whatever way they want but i speak up when some mmbers gets tricked by models. Quote

I'd like to remind you that its still the models room. I for example dont just shut up when the model is having an attitude towards me, oh hell i didn't join this site and buy credits just to be disrespected. If the member is really getting out of the line then its the model's choice what action he wants to do and if he doesn't mind then thats his choice and must maintain that way because like i said IT WAS HIS ROOM. I give respect for every member here as i am one so even if they are having some issues with the model I just dont go side on the model because its them who is in control so i just let the both parties settle their argument in whatever way they want but i speak up when some mmbers gets tricked by models.


Sir_Ken, let me ask you a question. If you saw someone--a man, a woman, a boy or girl, an elderly person--being harassed or bullied, would you just stand there and do or say nothing at all? Or would you step in and try to assist the person being harassed?

Also, no one said anything about siding with the model. If you read the original post and post #3, you would know that the situation as described by the original poster involved a model who was "trying to do the best he can" but was being insulted by a member. Nowhere does it say the model was giving attitude to the member.

While it is true that it is the model's room, and also true that it is up to the model to decide how he handles the situation, that does not mean you should be quiet and let the model fend for himself, especially when you know the model is not at fault. As mentioned in post #3, models don't like to ban members if they can avoid it...it lowers their power scores, and thus their ranking on the site. So most models welcome assistance in dealing with problematic situations in their rooms.

As to showing respect to other members just because you are one yourself, does that mean the model is any less deserving of your respect? The models we visit are also human beings, and they have the same human feelings that the members have.

If I am in the room of a model I am friends with, and I see a member or guest come in and start making requests, and then becoming abusive when the model either ignores the member's demands or declines them (or misses them entirely because the chat has scrolled by too quickly), I will speak up. I do not care if the member then becomes abusive to me and swears and descends into profanities. Better that the foul vitriol spewing from that member be directed at me than at the model. As the original poster mentioned: I can leave; the model cannot. Quote

Sir_Ken, let me ask you a question. If you saw someone--a man, a woman, a boy or girl, an elderly person--being harassed or bullied, would you just stand there and do or say nothing at all? Or would you step in and try to assist the person being harassed?

Also, no one said anything about siding with the model. If you read the original post and post #3, you would know that the situation as described by the original poster involved a model who was "trying to do the best he can" but was being insulted by a member. Nowhere does it say the model was giving attitude to the member.

While it is true that it is the model's room, and also true that it is up to the model to decide how he handles the situation, that does not mean you should be quiet and let the model fend for himself, especially when you know the model is not at fault. As mentioned in post #3, models don't like to ban members if they can avoid it...it lowers their power scores, and thus their ranking on the site. So most models welcome assistance in dealing with problematic situations in their rooms.

As to showing respect to other members just because you are one yourself, does that mean the model is any less deserving of your respect? The models we visit are also human beings, and they have the same human feelings that the members have.

If I am in the room of a model I am friends with, and I see a member or guest come in and start making requests, and then becoming abusive when the model either ignores the member's demands or declines them (or misses them entirely because the chat has scrolled by too quickly), I will speak up. I do not care if the member then becomes abusive to me and swears and descends into profanities. Better that the foul vitriol spewing from that member be directed at me than at the model. As the original poster mentioned: I can leave; the model cannot.


You cant just compare it with that situation because how can someone who had the power be bullied??? Its not like the whole room is full of bullies and even so he can get rid all of them.

When you want to do something against someone who is against the model thats automatically siding the model.

If the model doesn't want to use the ban and just ignore the "bullies" then what?? u step up and add fuel to the fire? fight with that person?? LOL these people are still eligible for going pvt or doing something beneficial for model that the models doesn't even wanna ban them in their room then who are u????? You'll only limiting their customers and thats not a good thing so for me ill just let them deal with the "bullies".

I respect models who deserves respect and for the members who doesn't deserve my respect I dont care about them because my concern in that room is the model and me our connection by means of respect with the other users is me letting them to have their time with the model also because no matter what they are doing is still something that the OWNER OF THE CHAT ROOM tolerates.

So if you dont like how the other users deal with the models you are "friends" with then why not you just leave the room??? Like i said its their say what to do, not yours. You are also stepping out of the line if i was in the room ill just leave and come back some other time because i dont wanna deal with clingy "friends". LOL at this part "Better that the foul vitriol spewing from that member be directed at me than at the model." maybe i just love myself more compared to how much you love yourself.

I let other customers here to have their connection with the models whether what they have isn't so pleasant still it could bloom into something the model wants that probably be the reason why he hasn't cut that connection yet if he does then that person can never get into that room so its really on the models' hands not members/customers. Quote

Sir_Ken, I do not want to start a fight with you here in the forums, so please allow me to make a couple of points, defend myself on one point, and offer a challenge to you.

Point 1: While it is true that Flirt4Free gives the models a lot of tools to maintain order in their rooms, models do NOT have "the power", as you put it. Models are dependent on members for their patronage and support. A model who does not earn credits is a model who gets "fired". Models often choose not to take action against members until they have no choice because they do not want to become known as being rude and abrasive, or "ban-happy"; either reputation can hurt them. Members talk to other members, and a model with a negative reputation is soon going to be an unemployed model.

Point 2: Moreover, if other members felt as you do, and left the room when someone began harassing the model, saying (in actions, if not in words) "I'll come back later," how is that any different from looking the other way and abandoning the man, women, boy or girl, or elderly person to his/her tormentor? You say that your only concern is your connection with the model, but how much do you value that connection if you are willing to stand by and let someone harass and abuse the model needlessly?

Defense Point: Whether I am willing to have the negativity directed towards me or not is not a measure of how much or how little I love myself. It is a measure of how much I value my friendship with the model. The odds of me encountering that other member again in the future are minimal, so bearing a few seconds of verbal abuse is nothing to me. It is, as they say, "water off a duck's back," meaning it's pointless and meaningless and harmless to me. Similarly, your implied denigration of me, that I do not love myself as much as you love yourself, also means nothing to me.

My challenge to you: The next several times you go into private with models, try asking each one what he would prefer, a member standing up to another member on his behalf (taking the model's side, if you will) or being left alone to handle the abusive member on his own. Then ask each one why he would prefer the one over the other. Quote

Sir_Ken, I do not want to start a fight with you here in the forums, so please allow me to make a couple of points, defend myself on one point, and offer a challenge to you.

Point 1: While it is true that Flirt4Free gives the models a lot of tools to maintain order in their rooms, models do NOT have "the power", as you put it. Models are dependent on members for their patronage and support. A model who does not earn credits is a model who gets "fired". Models often choose not to take action against members until they have no choice because they do not want to become known as being rude and abrasive, or "ban-happy"; either reputation can hurt them. Members talk to other members, and a model with a negative reputation is soon going to be an unemployed model.

Point 2: Moreover, if other members felt as you do, and left the room when someone began harassing the model, saying (in actions, if not in words) "I'll come back later," how is that any different from looking the other way and abandoning the man, women, boy or girl, or elderly person to his/her tormentor? You say that your only concern is your connection with the model, but how much do you value that connection if you are willing to stand by and let someone harass and abuse the model needlessly?

Defense Point: Whether I am willing to have the negativity directed towards me or not is not a measure of how much or how little I love myself. It is a measure of how much I value my friendship with the model. The odds of me encountering that other member again in the future are minimal, so bearing a few seconds of verbal abuse is nothing to me. It is, as they say, "water off a duck's back," meaning it's pointless and meaningless and harmless to me. Similarly, your implied denigration of me, that I do not love myself as much as you love yourself, also means nothing to me.

My challenge to you: The next several times you go into private with models, try asking each one what he would prefer, a member standing up to another member on his behalf (taking the model's side, if you will) or being left alone to handle the abusive member on his own. Then ask each one why he would prefer the one over the other.


Good to know you weren't here for a fight, me also we are just maybe so opposite that our opinions usually oppose each other atleast in this site.

How can they have negative reputation for banning permanently the "bullies"??

Thats so different as he has a choice as i said he should control the people in his room and remind them that it was him who owns the room and just be cool with each other but they wont because i know some of them love the support that asslickers will give them but yeah its maybe something they could talk about, a new topic. Me and my models connection is just fun nothing really serious we have our own connection and he got with the others and thats not my business anymore but like i said i stand up when the model is getting tricky and being greedy.

I dont know what to call it but for me that aint good because you get attached so much from just someone who you met online like you are willing to catch those negative words for the model?? because of the "friendship" then what create a scene?? act as a victim?? whatever the answer is it would be better to react positively for every negative things that are happening.

For him to know i stayed throughout him getting "bullied" keeping him entertained after that is enough dont really need to make it a big issue for him to let go easily and everyone in the room will as well.

So lets just say u are a member who will be siding the model and teach his customers a lesson when there are bullies/demanding while me i am just there chatting with him trying to take away the negativity that the member is giving to the model and in the room. Both for the good of the model so


but i really hate guys who butt ins with my conversation with the models, i am guilty for being demanding before pvts. I always need to make sure that the model has everything i wanted before pvt. Quote

If models are discouraged from banning abusive members, can I suggest (once again) that they use the "silence" option more frequently

Much better for the model to quietly switch the abusive member off, than let the room descend into chaos Quote

All model should run room how they see fit, period. It not for us to dictate to or decide for them. If model need info on how to handle issue they should get from their own forum or from site directly as what tools they have available, we always don't know what go on behind the scene on site. Model can quickly handle and no need for members to exchange word unless you look for problem then model must deal with you to. On other end if model abuse member no worry as he won't be around long anyhow, unless member wants likes abuse hehe. Quote