Just a question, I don't know what to make of a room filled with silent paying customers who sit, and say nothing, and would stay half hour, one hour, or even longer, come in and out, and not say a word even once, I would say hi, or even turn on the room receptionist, but get little back and in some cases, no responce. How do you deal with a room that lacks interaction? Quote

Just a question, I don't know what to make of a room filled with silent paying customers who sit, and say nothing, and would stay half hour, one hour, or even longer, come in and out, and not say a word even once, I would say hi, or even turn on the room receptionist, but get little back and in some cases, no responce. How do you deal with a room that lacks interaction?



My experience has been that many of the VIP and Premium members often "park" in several models' rooms at a time. Most of them are shy or simply voyeurs who don't want to interact directly with the models until they are good and ready. Also, They earn points in the Flirt-game for their time spent in specific models' rooms. These points and perks add up fast, and they can spend them on their favorite models with power-boosts. I use the room receptionist, and I don't acknowledge any members unless they chat first. Mentioning their names, in open chat especially, can often send them running. The members can't see each other unless they chat, and many of them like to remain hidden and anonymous.

These are all my observations so far, and I've only been doing this for two weeks. I say don't let it get to you. They have their reasons for remaining silent, and if they like you enough to "park" in your room, they will eventually take the next step and start chatting. Another hint, many of the VIP and Premium members have filled out their profiles at least a little bit. If you see someone who never speaks, take a peek at their bio and see if they have anything there. I have had many submissive members with detailed bios who will not speak until spoken to or commanded to speak! ;)

I hope you find this helpful. Happy "Camming!"

Cody
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Points don't add up very quickly by "parking" in a models room - 60 points for being in a specific model's chat room for 60 consecutive minutes, once per day. We can't do anything with 60 points. Spending credits is the quickest way to earn points, we also get 5 points per VOD and model reviews. Below I linked a few threads that should give you and new models some insight on silent members and the room receptionist.

Room Receptionist Thread:
http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=17615&num_posts=20

Sil ent Members Thread:
http://www.flirt4free.com/forums/threads.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=11987&num_posts=62

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Thank you, Brett! =)
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Only VIPs does this to you? Quote

The Lurking with these customers can be creepy, but yet unpredictable because one of them either VIP or Premium Member can go private out of the blue. Most of these voyeurs not only looking, but iffy and wasting time and money because they are missing out on these models private shows and have no idea what these models are capable of. To get an idea of these models, read their bio page and watch the videos. The next time they go private, is a bigger chance they may do something that they have not performed in their previous videos. Most of us are growing our experience to keep our customer's satisfaction high and pleasured to cum back for more. So give these models a chance and see where it can take you customers. Quote

My experience has been that many of the VIP and Premium members often "park" in several models' rooms at a time. Most of them are shy or simply voyeurs who don't want to interact directly with the models until they are good and ready. Also, They earn points in the Flirt-game for their time spent in specific models' rooms. These points and perks add up fast, and they can spend them on their favorite models with power-boosts. I use the room receptionist, and I don't acknowledge any members unless they chat first. Mentioning their names, in open chat especially, can often send them running. The members can't see each other unless they chat, and many of them like to remain hidden and anonymous.

These are all my observations so far, and I've only been doing this for two weeks. I say don't let it get to you. They have their reasons for remaining silent, and if they like you enough to "park" in your room, they will eventually take the next step and start chatting. Another hint, many of the VIP and Premium members have filled out their profiles at least a little bit. If you see someone who never speaks, take a peek at their bio and see if they have anything there. I have had many submissive members with detailed bios who will not speak until spoken to or commanded to speak! ;)

I hope you find this helpful. Happy "Camming!"

Cody
@CODY_PHOENIXxxx


U said smart things ...... im agree with u in any things.... just need to be happy, and try of to do the best from u daniel... be interesting and wait things will come... a greeting

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Something interesting happened today, those lurkers were waiting for someone else to start a 60 credit per minute show in private, then ten seconds later they would enter the room at 20 credits per minute, peak then bail if unsatisfied. I have realized that these silent lurkers are wise opportunists, hopefully this new found knowledge will be helpful to someone. Quote

Something interesting happened today, those lurkers were waiting for someone else to start a 60 credit per minute show in private, then ten seconds later they would enter the room at 20 credits per minute, peak then bail if unsatisfied. I have realized that these silent lurkers are wise opportunists, hopefully this new found knowledge will be helpful to someone.


really you call people who uses voyeur opportunists?? instead of just being thankful that they are willing to spend for you. You cant even consider it as that its one of the features of this site and they are just using it. Quote

Something interesting happened today, those lurkers were waiting for someone else to start a 60 credit per minute show in private, then ten seconds later they would enter the room at 20 credits per minute, peak then bail if unsatisfied. I have realized that these silent lurkers are wise opportunists, hopefully this new found knowledge will be helpful to someone.


It is sad, but true: these VIP and premium members are indeed opportunists, using the site's options to enjoy shows at reduced costs (about 1/3 the cost of a regular private show) if they choose to stay and watch. On the one hand, they do not get to talk, nor hear what is going on in the private show. On the other hand, it can become distracting if they enter and leave, enter and leave, repeatedly.

There may be two ways to get around these opportunistic voyeurs, if the customer going into private with you does not want anyone invading their show. The first way is to use the dual private/multi-user login. If a member is willing to pay the higher price for private, no one can voyeur in to watch. If they choose the multi-user option instead, they should be ready for the possibility of others coming in, but those others would need to pay the full multi-user price rather than the reduced voyeur price. They may sit and watch, but they are still paying the regular multi-user rate.

The other way is to activate the "Offer" option. If a member makes an offer and you choose to accept, no one can voyeur into the show. This could be a good way to get the same cpm rate without dealing with lurking members peeking in. There are some members who might try to take advantage of this and offer outrageously low rates, but you can reject or counteroffer until both of you are satisfied. For my part, since I usually only go into private to chat, and since the models I visit know this, they are amenable to turning on the Offer option for me, I offer the same as their posted private or multi-user rates, and we can enjoy private conversations without interruptions from voyeurs.

Unfortunately, neither method addresses the lurkers who sit and wait for something to happen in your chat room, but at least your paying customers can enjoy their shows in complete privacy without these opportunists slipping in. Quote

Unfortunately, neither method addresses the lurkers who sit and wait for something to happen in your chat room, but at least your paying customers can enjoy their shows in complete privacy without these opportunists slipping in.


Someone needs a mindset adjustment. Voyeur means added revenue for the model. End. Of. Story. I would happily let someone sit mutely outside of my cubicle if I got paid 25% extra for it. Heck, I would even let them breathe heavily. And what of the people who watch the VOD the next day for even less? Or, heaven forbid, the VIPs who view the VOD for "free" a week later? Absolute swine, apparently.

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If they gonna voyeur so be it. Model makes more $$$$ and still communicate one on one with original customer while others remain silent. If model makes $$$$ its a win for them however it happens Quote

As one of Flirt's customers, I'll just add two thoughts. When I first came here, I just "looked" around as a "gray" non-member. As I returned and watched the model I first visited, I saw how nice he was with all of the people in his room, "grays" "VIPs" and "registered members". It was watching how warmly he dealt wtih anyone, and everyone that was pleasant and respectful to him, and the other "customers" that made me decide to join, and then take him Private. The point is, some people just want to learn about a model before going Private, and just quietly watching is one way to do that. As for using the "voyuer" button, it's another way to "learn" about a model and decide if you want to spend the credits on a Private.
I understand that it may feel a bit "creepy" to be watched without anyone chatting with you, but then it's your room, and you're the one on camera, so do what you can to try any engage the watchers. Asking general questions, or talking about yourself, without saying "hi" to anyone, might just be a way to get them to interact with you. And that could cause others to join in on the conversation. It's not an easy job, and God knows I could never do it myself, so just try to relax, have fun, be yourself, and see what happens. Just my . Quote

really you call people who uses voyeur opportunists?? instead of just being thankful that they are willing to spend for you. You cant even consider it as that its one of the features of this site and they are just using it.



Excuse my choice of words Ken, in no way did I mean to imply that being an opportunist is a bad thing, in fact or reality, it is not, I am just trying to make sence of it all. It's not that serious! Quote

I don't mind a lurker waiting for low rate, as someone pointed out, it's more revenue, it is in fact a relief that i now understand a bit more the reason. The site apparently also rewards customers after reaching 1 hour in a model's room, which I read somewhere, can't quite remember, please correct me if I am wrong. But as my understanding grows, so does my comfort. I used to worry about why so many sitting silently, it was quite worrysome, made me doubt as to why I even bother going online or chit chat most days, but now I know. Enlightenment is a great thing, and some things we learn on our own in time. Quote

Excuse my choice of words Ken, in no way did I mean to imply that being an opportunist is a bad thing, in fact or reality, it is not, I am just trying to make sence of it all. It's not that serious!


LOL excuses .... even so like i said you cant consider that as opportunist they are just using one of the features of this site and they are paying for it. Those who use voyeur are paying less compared to going private because there's a lot of limitations when using a voyeur so its not unfair for anyone if someone uses it therefore opportunist isn't right for you to use to describe them.

I don't mind a lurker waiting for low rate, as someone pointed out, it's more revenue, it is in fact a relief that i now understand a bit more the reason. The site apparently also rewards customers after reaching 1 hour in a model's room, which I read somewhere, can't quite remember, please correct me if I am wrong. But as my understanding grows, so does my comfort. I used to worry about why so many sitting silently, it was quite worrysome, made me doubt as to why I even bother going online or chit chat most days, but now I know. Enlightenment is a great thing, and some things we learn on our own in time.


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I don't mind a lurker waiting for low rate, as someone pointed out, it's more revenue, it is in fact a relief that i now understand a bit more the reason. The site apparently also rewards customers after reaching 1 hour in a model's room, which I read somewhere, can't quite remember, please correct me if I am wrong. But as my understanding grows, so does my comfort. I used to worry about why so many sitting silently, it was quite worrysome, made me doubt as to why I even bother going online or chit chat most days, but now I know. Enlightenment is a great thing, and some things we learn on our own in time.


Lurkers are generally harmless, if annoying. But, while voyeurs do add to your revenue, some members don't like sharing. They might be a minority, but you will occasionally encounter them. They might ask you to switch to private (if you're only offering multi-user). In which case, the dual private/multi-user login could net you more revenue, either by getting you the private at a higher cpm rate which no one can voyeur into...or getting multiple members joining in for a multi-user chat at the lower cpm rate. The would-be voyeurs can still lurk and sit quietly, but at the regular rate.

The information about the 1-hour boost-point rewards can be found among the information about the Flirt game, specifically ways to earn points.
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As one of Flirt's customers, I'll just add two thoughts. When I first came here, I just "looked" around as a "gray" non-member. As I returned and watched the model I first visited, I saw how nice he was with all of the people in his room, "grays" "VIPs" and "registered members". It was watching how warmly he dealt wtih anyone, and everyone that was pleasant and respectful to him, and the other "customers" that made me decide to join, and then take him Private. The point is, some people just want to learn about a model before going Private, and just quietly watching is one way to do that. As for using the "voyuer" button, it's another way to "learn" about a model and decide if you want to spend the credits on a Private.
I understand that it may feel a bit "creepy" to be watched without anyone chatting with you, but then it's your room, and you're the one on camera, so do what you can to try any engage the watchers. Asking general questions, or talking about yourself, without saying "hi" to anyone, might just be a way to get them to interact with you. And that could cause others to join in on the conversation. It's not an easy job, and God knows I could never do it myself, so just try to relax, have fun, be yourself, and see what happens. Just my .



I was the first model,right? buhahaha!

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Hi guys, I don't normally post on the forum but after reading this thread I wanted to add my thoughts...
As a regular paying 'flirt' customer both of the VIP kind, and the spending vast ammounts of my hard earned money on buying credits over a 6 year period kind, I was really disappointed to read some of the models responses here.
When I come to this site I interact with models in the same way I interact with anyone in my life, I am polite and treat other's with respect, and I really appreciate the same when it is offered in return.
As a paying customer to this site I rarely spend less than 15 minutes with a model in private, as I don't like quick or hurried shows. So, with that in mind I like to browse models and take my time to decide where I want to spend my money. I would never spend 10 minutes 'lurking' in a models room and I would certainly never spend anything even approaching an hour for the simple reason that life is too short for that in my opinion.
Sometimes I spend a little time in a models room to see how he interats with other members to get a sense of whether he is respectful, this gives me an idea of perhaps how he will be in a private show with me. If the model says 'Hi' I respond, but if it's the generic greeting from the receptionist I always ignore it as I find it impersonal.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that VIP members are the only visitors to rooms who remain silent and having been a VIP member who has taken countless models private it's kinda insulting to be referred to as 'oppotunist' or 'creepy' or labelled a 'VIP lurker.'
Even if a member (VIP or not) spends 1 hour in a models room in silence then this is well within their rights and breaks none of the site's rules. Just because that guy (or girl) is silent on a Tuesday does not mean they will not return on a Wednesday and take the same model private.
Customers may have reasons for staying silent and are in no obligation to feel pressure to speak to models, I always say 'Hi' if a model greets me, but I don't think we all have to do that as we are all different and nowhere in this site does it say 'if you pay money on this site you must speak to every model'
Any models in doubt regarding how they should 'deal' with this 'problem' should refer to the model Cody's response...his thoughts seemed to me to be sane, mature, reasonable, and respectful...not to mention professional !
Maybe some of the model's here who are overly concerned by silent VIP member's should try focusing their attention on the paying customer's who do speak to them.
I have an alternative title for this post on the forum- 'How to alienate VIP member's and future paying customers'


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Hi guys, I don't normally post on the forum but after reading this thread I wanted to add my thoughts...
As a regular paying 'flirt' customer both of the VIP kind, and the spending vast ammounts of my hard earned money on buying credits over a 6 year period kind, I was really disappointed to read some of the models responses here.
When I come to this site I interact with models in the same way I interact with anyone in my life, I am polite and treat other's with respect, and I really appreciate the same when it is offered in return.
As a paying customer to this site I rarely spend less than 15 minutes with a model in private, as I don't like quick or hurried shows. So, with that in mind I like to browse models and take my time to decide where I want to spend my money. I would never spend 10 minutes 'lurking' in a models room and I would certainly never spend anything even approaching an hour for the simple reason that life is too short for that in my opinion.
Sometimes I spend a little time in a models room to see how he interats with other members to get a sense of whether he is respectful, this gives me an idea of perhaps how he will be in a private show with me. If the model says 'Hi' I respond, but if it's the generic greeting from the receptionist I always ignore it as I find it impersonal.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that VIP members are the only visitors to rooms who remain silent and having been a VIP member who has taken countless models private it's kinda insulting to be referred to as 'oppotunist' or 'creepy' or labelled a 'VIP lurker.'
Even if a member (VIP or not) spends 1 hour in a models room in silence then this is well within their rights and breaks none of the site's rules. Just because that guy (or girl) is silent on a Tuesday does not mean they will not return on a Wednesday and take the same model private.
Customers may have reasons for staying silent and are in no obligation to feel pressure to speak to models, I always say 'Hi' if a model greets me, but I don't think we all have to do that as we are all different and nowhere in this site does it say 'if you pay money on this site you must speak to every model'
Any models in doubt regarding how they should 'deal' with this 'problem' should refer to the model Cody's response...his thoughts seemed to me to be sane, mature, reasonable, and respectful...not to mention professional !
Maybe some of the model's here who are overly concerned by silent VIP member's should try focusing their attention on the paying customer's who do speak to them.
I have an alternative title for this post on the forum- 'How to alienate VIP member's and future paying customers'





Really good pointl.But all we are differents so not all will do same thing like you.

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